534:- How so? I have adressed concerns, merged and cited the majority of red links. I have given reasons for why I haven't adressed all of your comments, namely removing dishes section, but feel free to continue correspondence with me rather than Editoneer if you feel I haven't adressed any and if i'm doing the wrong things. If you've been seeing the contributions page I am very active on my end, citing when I can - to say I haven't adressed ANY of the list/citation issues is not a fair judgement. I have listened to both of your comments and responded accordingly to the best of my knowledge.
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discusses the topic, explains the key influences on it (and what it influenced), describes its history in some detail, and generally avoids long lists (whether with bullets or tables). I specifically mentioned that the list of wines was inadvisable but it's still there, for example. You claim to be paying close attention but the evidence goes the other way. Anyway, good luck with the review, I've now told you repeatedly what I think, and I've had no cause to change my mind so far. Further comments should be addressed to the reviewer, not to me.
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is a substantial issue, unless you have a highly energetic nominator. If you think the lists aren't necessary then they should be swiftly deleted, and replaced with a paragraph or two of properly-cited text on each of those three subjects. That too might prove a substantial task but it's not unimaginable for a hardworking nominator.
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salads and an arrangement of desserts. Family cuisine offers also a range of dishes, such as stews (or yakhneh), which can be cooked in many forms depending on the ingredients used and are usually served with meat and rice vermicelli. Pita bread is a staple of every
Lebanese meal, and can be used in place of a fork.
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Your response remains aggressive, and I'm not the reviewer. However, I suggested you remove all the bulleted lists, replacing them with a narrative of cited text discussing the key dishes and so on, rather than trying to list all of them. A Knowledge (XXG) article normally consists of cited text that
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However, three list sections: "Dishes and ingredients", "By region", and "Beverages" together take up a very large percentage of the article, and are wholly uncited - I make that at least 99 missing citations. If you believe the sections are necessary for the article, I'd suggest a quick fail as this
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The assortments of dishes forming the mezze are generally consumed in small bites using a piece of
Lebanese bread (Khubz, Pita) or a fork. As a family, it is made up of three or four dishes, but in the restaurant, the mezze can range from twenty to sixty dishes, as the varient combinations and dishes
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I added this in as a reference to the paragraph in which the previous empires that ruled were given, as it gives context to the proximity of those empires being close (geographically) and helps people in general to whom that are not aware of the location of
Lebanon and the history behind the region.
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Greetings, I apologise for causing trouble, I forgot about
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Are you looking at the same article as everyone else? Look at the list of
Appetizers, for instance. There are TWENTYONE uncited claims JUST IN THAT SECTION. There are another 15 in Meat dishes. These alone would be a cause for quick-fail if the article were newly submitted to GA. I do hope this is
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Ahh, thank you for showing me. Anyways, I do agree that "Dishes and ingredients", "By region" and "Beverages" to be deleted as it's not cited fully and just be replaced with a paragraph that shows what type of food and with the paragraph there... at first thought, I wondered if the nominator could
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The "Lebanese wine" section (why is this not named "Wines"?) is not as bad, but a) I can't see any reason to attempt an A-Z list of all possible national wines (imagine doing that for France or Italy); b) it's not alphabetic; c) it's not fully cited. It's a pretty idea but it would make a lot more
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the sophisticated european cuisine with the exotic ingredients of the middle and far east' this for me encaptulates the the sentence that was written regarding the diaspora with merit however not directly in wording. The second reference gives an example of a dish that was exported to Brazil and
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This style of serving food is less a part of family life than it is of entertaining and cafés. Mezze may be as simple as raw or pickled vegetables, hummus, baba ghanouj and bread, or it may become an entire meal consisting of grilled marinated seafood, skewered meats, a variety of cooked and raw
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Right I shall adress those issues, thats all that needs to be said. You can see I've been citing dishes so do not act like I haven't been and claim I haven't done any. I'm not arguing with you I was rather taken back by your strangely confrontive intial tone which implied I had done nothing you
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Desserts include pastries such as Aish as-Saraya, Qatayef, Basbousa, Harees, Kanafeh, baklava, Ka'ak, Sfouf and
Maamoul. Lebanese ice cream is popular with its oriental flavors, including Amar al-Din made from dried apricots (can also be eaten as a snack); fresh fruits, and pistachio. Lebanese
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I'm sorry you felt that way, I'm to the point sort of person and have been improving this article ever since I saw the absolute state it was in initially. I can assure you there is no malice in what i've written other than the initial respone to your comments, which I can admit i was being
770:, still isn't enough and we need more sources to confirm that whole paragraph. This reference doesn't mention poultry, red meat, grains, starch, fresh fish, Lamb being cooked mostly on coastal regions and nothing mentions goat meat. I feel that the information provided is stereotypical.
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The first reference noting the american and european consumers experience in summary says that
Lebanese immigration quote 'expanded to modest falafel shops into high end establishments' and how 'noticible difference now seperate Lebanese cuisine from its middle eastern counterparts by
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sense as a stand-alone list article, i.e. it should be split out from this article, leaving a paragraph or two of properly-cited text about the types and quality of the wine in general, with maybe an example of the oldest or a prizewinning vineyard or two. It smells much too much of
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Lebanese immigrants that explain how the dish evolved to be eaten with 'Beef instead of lamb' (new ingredients) and 'lost its top' (culinary practices). I can give further examples of dishes if this would bolster the point of the sentence.
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I believe I have done as requested, if you look at the second source regarding the rice it also specificies other rice preperations so have removed the vermicelli part and merged with 'rice' solely. Please let me know what to do next, Thanks.
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Phoenicians of its coastal strip were instrumental in spreading wine and viticulture throughout the Mediterranean in ancient times. Despite the many conflicts of the region, the country has an annual production of about 6,000,000 cases of
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302:, so you can fix those mistakes and also to have a type of rebuttal if something mentioned above isn't correct, after the said changes are done I will put it on 2ndopinion and I'm not sure as a beginner if I did everything right.
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Lebanese meal, there is also dessert, such as baklava and coffee. Although baklava is the most internationally known dessert, there is a great variety of Lebanese
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doesn't say anything about "Phoe", "Hitt", "Assy", "Babyl", doesn't mention "Ancient Egypt" which all of those terms are used as the CTRL + F, even if you don't put the whole word in it. Futhermore how do we know it was years
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just conveniently source all of them in a single go but now that I think about it... it will surely link the same reference all over again which seems to give a weird feeling that might be a big plan to advertise the site.
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page, it must have taken a team effort and I'm a one man band! I will try to contact fellow Lebanese wikipedians or other culinary experts regarding this matter, but will continue to work on it regardless. Kind regards,
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was presumably created in November 2017. The Knowledge (XXG) article existed long before that, and contained many of the same phrases, in October 2017, so it certainly copied from us, not the other way
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Family cuisine also offers a range of dishes, such as stews (or yakhneh), which can be cooked in many forms depending on the ingredients used and are usually served with meat and rice vermicelli.
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Reference just directs me to the site and I tried typing the reference in--- in a nutshell: Fail and possibly need more sources for the information above if it doesn't cover all the above.
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Arak, an anise-flavored liqueur, is the Lebanese national drink and usually served with a traditional convivial Lebanese meal. Another historic and traditional drink is Lebanese wine.
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for your helpful comments and perspective. I have sourced the majority of said criticisms regarding lack of citations and am now trying to work on the recipes itself and the
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Oh my good good I decided to bother, whole content is plagiarized, this can't be accepted on Knowledge (XXG) try to word it differently. Demonstrated by
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doesn't mention lemon, tahini or garlic. I assume it's eaten with garlic and lemon as the section above states this, but with tahini?
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and I'm living in a mountain area far from it, that doesn't necessarily require you to be in a specific area to eat a certain food.
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version of the Knowledge (XXG) article, and again, many of the old phrases still match. So, I suspect plagiarism isn't the problem.
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Does the Arab cuisine have something to do with Lebanon or are similar? If not, remove. Same goes with the Mediterranean cuisine.
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So i've done like you'e said and cited, so what do I do next? Can you give me suggestions in how to improve this article please.
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Again from an outside view we can't tell if this is true. Actually scratch "outside view", we still need references here.
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suggested, which was not true. I shall continue to cite dishes and If you have any more drive by comments, let me know.
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How would one ascertain this, would it need to be through google translate or alike, there is no such citation for the
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All of those statements barely say it is within the meze and there is no references towards them. Even those with .
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The image with Lebanon is off-topic about the cuisine. Rather put an image of some type of cuisine that is very old.
776:, doesn't mention "baklava" for Lebanon, "filo", "pastry" for Lebanon, nuts for Lebanon... "date syrup" or Oh, hi "
786:, says "Lebanese wine" but not "Arak" which is required. Try to write "Arak" in the search bar and that will help.
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Reference doesn't mention anything about tapas, mezeluri, this information makes it look like original research.
217:, as it expresses doubt, please consider removing it or why is the claim unsure without putting "supposed" in it.
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in this thread? As far as I know, that's the only thing outstanding on this review. Please let us know. Thanks.
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Barout Del Batata – spicy lamb served with potatoes
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1763:Chich taouk
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463:Thank you
224:Verifiable
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1600:Response
1559:See Also
1181:Overview
1084:Not done
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475:and the
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