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Talk:Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben, BWV 8

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643:, you were "the first contributor to add citations" – WP:CITEVAR has however no special place for "the first contributor to add citations": I copied the guideline's exact wording, i.e. "... first major contributor ..." – which you are not, meaning that there's no special statute for your opinions on ref formatting. Also, as said, you didn't convert to a "without line breaks between parameters" style: you haphazardly left some line breaks in citation templates, also haphazardly keeping some of the whitespace (which is entirely redundant in that layout – and confusing for future editors), and worse, there was some cutting of reference content (which is not "conversion" of a reference format, it is maiming references, unacceptable in the context of 2284:– Re. "oversized lead image": the image is just filling the width of the infobox: that width is dictated by the infobox title, not the image. I "cared" in the sense that I replaced the former image by one that has a lesser height. Re. "sandwiched text": afaik there isn't any sandwiched text any more currently, or did I miss anything? Re. "references pointing nowhere, ... and empty sections": yeah sure, working on it (but give me some time to get the consequences of the article title change such as navboxes, italictitle etc ironed out first) – anyhow better that the page was moved without further delay, before all the other work is done, rather than getting everything else right first, and then another overhaul for a changed article title. -- 2742: 2137: 242: 218: 2991: 336: 134: 82: 113: 1019: 144: 304: 21: 252: 2241:"), I've seen a few sources, but as far as I can remember not the majority, which refer to it with a question mark at the end of the title, but for Bach's cantata, the practice appears to be non-existent, or at least very rare. So, I'd move this article to the format as in the Dürr/Jones book, that is 2510:
I'm not sure but possibly Diack's translation is still under copyright (but maybe not everywhere), and I'd avoid too much copyrighted material from the same source (there's another Diack translation of an entire movement further down the page, while no part of the Lunn translation is quoted yet). See
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Despite these ambiguities with "period instrument practice", it is clear that modern performers are adept at playing their baroque instruments. Although Suzuki has given a D major version for the first movement as an appendix, in the end he has opted for the E major version. Similarly the recordings
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Content from the 1978 book of Whittaker has not yet been incorporated in the current wikipedia article. On wikipedia the 1971 Taschenbuch of Alfred DĂĽrr has been used for other cantatas. It is available on archive.org. I checked that for BWV 8 it contains less information than the 2006 book of DĂĽrr
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My principal objection (apart from destruction of material from the references), that complex cite templates should preferably have a separate line for each parameter value, and no half-cooked mess should be created, was not replied to by Nikkimaria. Nikkimaria, again, could you please restore that
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Let's concentrate on the good: thanks for at least trying to limit the damage, and asking how to proceed. Your spurious defence "... is in fact a direct quote from CITEVAR" must of course be rejected: it is a quote out of context, not, according to the CITEVAR guidance, a style which later editors
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I'll check out the DĂĽrr tomorrow, as I haven't looked at it in years. I suppose I ought to have done before I started doing the cantatas, but I don't think I've done anything that can't be improved. I'd love a look at the new edition of DĂĽrr, but our library doesn't have it yet (no surprise there,
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has given a very detailed account of what kind of flute or recorder was used for the first and fourth movements of the cantata. Those details can be found in the liner notes here: https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Pic-Rec-BIG/Suzuki-C24c.pdf. Similar liner notes are often discussed concerning period
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Anyway, for the more complicated cite templates I prefer one line per data field, which is far easier for editing. That style was present in the article, before you destroyed it for some, and kept it for others. Even for the ones for which you destroyed it your editing was haphazard with random
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Re. "discussion of expansion and/or addition of a second box should be postponed until ..." – disagree: whether planning to expand, trim or split, discussion can continue here, even if such discussion would come to a consensus that certain adjustments (expansion and/or trimming) to the article
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doesn't cover this, as I said in the edit summary of my earlier revert. On content, whether it is desirable, I'd say a definite yes. It is not still very long ago that the legitimacy of Bach Digital as a reliable source was doubted, thus naming at least the main publisher (which is a renowned
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Re. "... once the article gets much longer" – many of the Bach cantatas are GA or FA (only BWVs 5 and 8 are neither in the BWV 1–12 range), so expanding this article, trying to get it to GA level would, imho, be an excellent idea. Trying to address your concerns in a split variant proposal ↓
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whitespace, hard coded new lines after a random number of data fields and whatnot. I suggest you restore the style *as it was*, thanks. Your arguments would be more convincing if improving references for this article, which is still far from finished, wasn't met with random unhelpfulness. --
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In general we'd have to consider how much primary source text material (copyrighted and non-copyrighted) we'd want to retain in the article, in view of the indicated guideline and policy. Whittaker's translation of two separate stanzas is maybe too much too (copyrighted afaik). Ideas?
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sanctions "imposing one style on an article with inconsistent citation styles" as a standard practice which is generally considered helpful. That's what I did with my June edits, which for that reason should not have been reverted. I'm resuming my plan, as already mentioned in the
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All of the content concerning DĂĽrr's 2006 has been extracted. There has also content from Christoph Wolff which has been incorporated. Passages from Hans-Joachim Schulze and Leisinger have also been used. As has already been commented on this page, the pages on the book of
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Thank you, and understand. I made the lead image a tad smaller. "Sandwiched" isn't quite right - sorry - just a load of images in the history section. Perhaps some can go to the movements once they are there. Take your time, - I just asked for patience in another corner,
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An in-use tag was removed on 22:30 November 17, 2020 by me when no editing was happening (bed time usually). An edit adding two new sentences and one high resolution image from Commons in a gallery format was added on 5:53 November 18, 2020 when there no in-use tag.
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Frankly, this may be a language difference, in which case, I'm inclined to let the German usage take precedence in cases where Bach's own usage is in doubt. I'll spend some time concentrating on this particular issue when I get back into the library tomorrow.
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In fact, virtually no source, that is, neither an English-language one nor a German-language one, seems to refer to Bach's cantata with a question mark at the end of the German-language incipit. For the hymn, in Knowledge (XXG) spelled without question mark
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Inadvertently counterproductive damage to the content of a sound reference? Other than that I don't see much benefit in actually naming it, as, afaik, there seems to be no Knowledge (XXG) guidance sanctioning it. Returning to the crux of the matter,
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Aimed at the pious Leipzig merchant class for "spiritual recreation" or "refreshment" through music, the simple four-part organ chorales were paired with spinet or clavichord broken-chord variations, in the style brisé, then in vogue. Like Bach's
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Like the first proposal, I agree with Gerda's suggestion that such more elaborate box(es) are only appropriate when the article has grown. Lead infobox (presented without image for talk page size: the image would be the same as the current one) →
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section below, to get this article up to GA level. This will, quite naturally, mean that the referencing system of the article is further streamlined, along with implementing other suggestions already mentioned on this talk page (e.g. in
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Thank you for taking this up. For the record, I am only the nominator of an article by many, begun in 2006 by Microtonal, with major contributions by Nikkimaria, Francis Schonken and - finally and shaping the article the most - Mathsci.
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so cannot be used directly. As director of the St Thomas choir in Leipzig, Hauptmann would have had access to its archives. But choral performances in Leipzig moved on into quite a different direction, e.g. the public performances of
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D, the R, emphasised, meaning that one goes back to the situation before the bold edit in which that section was removed, and then discusses). There was certainly no consensus on the "CITEVAR" to remove the "==Sources==" section.
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Also, before I started to add references and sources recently, there was a "==Sources==" section, which I'm going to restore anyway, while that going back to the situation before the discussion started. (the cycle is
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plus one line on the small BWV listing of 1998, which is linked to Platen's discussion. The article on the Lutheran chorale seems to be out of balance with the article on the cantata, often in a contradictory way.
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Winterfeld's analysis, in Vol. III, pp. 308–309, of the difference between how Bach treats the older chorale melodies rhythmically as compared to how he does so with those closer to his own time (like Vetter's).
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included a Sources section of cited sources, linked by sfn. Those are different citation styles. If you feel it would be helpful to move up the general references from the external links section, fine.
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The article above concerns a Lutheran chorale with the same title as the cantata. The content there, however, is only concerned with the statement that Vetter's closing chorale was "borrowed" by
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of Leonhardt-Harnoncourt, Rilling, Herreweghe, Koopman, Gardiner, Rifkin and Johanssen are in E major with oboes d'amore and transverse flute. Karl Richter is old school and very much slower.
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and I never cared about this detail that doesn't change a meaning. If I had time, I'd care about oversized lead image, references pointing nowhere, sandwiched text and empty sections. --
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is the article on the hymn, with the text. It's a different question where material not related to the hymn itself should go. A link to the text should be part of the cantata article. --
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has not been added. The German version of DĂĽrr's 1992 book is not available electronically. The reference for BWV, now available as an electronic resource, has only recently been added.
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The current infobox at the moment seems fine. So far there has been no consensus to remove it or adjust it in any major way. The infobox is not dissimilar from the infobox for
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For the infobox, it seems enough that it is a cantata by Bach. The inclusion of a setting by a different composer for just a 4-part hymn seems not worthy of mentioning there.
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Anyone doubting the legitimacy of this source can and should look at its site to understand how it is created and supported, and make an appropriate judgment based on that.
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I'm using the Grove dictionary as my primary source, and they include incipit-final punctuation in all cases. Most of the other secondary literature I have does the same.
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The 1982 Osthoff edition (which includes the adapted D major version) includes some odd editing. The first movement for the strings in recent editions is usually marked
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You're welcome to add citations using the existing formatting if you think they're lacking, although I disagree that the article currently warrants a refimprove tag.
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In other comparable articles on cantatas, some of which are featured articles, there are no comparable sections on reception. Sometimes transcriptions are mentioned.
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In Osthoff's version, "pizzicato" has been removed and the words "con sordini" added. Later editions seem to adhere more faithfully to original manuscripts.
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The use of out-dated 19th sources, such as those of Winterfeld, does not seem appropriate and appears to be original research. These aspects of the article "
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technical difficulties for the transverse flute and the oboes d'amore. Using the original manuscripts from the Thomaskirche archive, the conductor
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in Leipzig in 1842. The publication of the Bach cantatas started in 1851. Their pdf files can be read online or downloaded on the MdZ, the
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That is, with a comma, and not a question mark, between the German incipit of the cantata's text and the BWV number. Similar in the
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By movement subsections, i.e. subsections where each movement is discussed separately (see models in many Bach cantata articles)
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site states that it is a joint project, not that Bach Archive is the publisher. I have added dates and linked the website name.
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complete cantata set. There are other in addition some special practices such as "one voice per part": these ahve been used by
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given that it just came out last month), and it's prohibitively expensive to the individual buyer (~$ 350 retail, last I saw).
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style which was present in the article before I started editing it, at least for the references I added in that style? Tx. --
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in 1746, where he was picked out by Bach for his skills in Latin to become music prefect. After leading performances at the
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policy). Whatever way it is turned, you've got some clean-up & restoration to do afaics. Are you prepared to do that? --
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of the 1713 volume which is annotated on two full pages with four separate staves for cantus, alto, tenor and figured bass:
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I think it is more common to leave out the punctuation marks (here quotation mark) at the end of the cantata titles. --
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I expect these updates to be unproblematic, but to make sure, I put them here for further discussion, if needed. --
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If you've looked at the page's history, you will have seen that I was "the first contributor to add citations",
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The article is still "in use", please some patience – in the mean while suggestions can be posted on this page.
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Anyway, giving one publisher (i.e. the one that is usually listed first) when there are many is not wrong. --
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The book by Alfred DĂĽrr and the (German) music publishers omit them, also the NBA (Neue Bach-Ausgabe). --
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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below), getting this in line with other applicable guidance (e.g. regrouping content in line with
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Can you restore the content and links of these references, the way I introduced them? Thanks. --
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Proposing to remove the infobox, apart from the lead image (and its caption) enclosed in it. --
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Thank you for the proposal which could be useful once the article gets much longer. Even then,
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for writing and maintaining articles. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the
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In the DĂĽrr/Jones book on Bach's cantatas (2005/2006) the title of the cantata is given as:
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The BWV number should be visible above the image, to avoid confusion with the hymn article.
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Leaving aside whether it is desirable, removing it is not a "style" issue. In other words,
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singing voices) – there are several options where such content can be added, e.g.,
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It is also not quite clear why the second movement from circa 1755 is labelled as
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in 1757 to study philosophy and theology. In 1770 he was appointed as a Cantor in
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I don't think the instrumentation needs to be specified for individual movements.
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which also has a second infobox further down the page for the "other" version) →
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I don't think we need to mention the author of the hymn as the hymn has a link.
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Rathey, Markus (2010). "Buxtehude and the Dance of Death: The Chorale Partita
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I've linked the occasion as you proposed, and have proposed a new version of
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IMHO, this is not the place for a detailed description of Vetter's
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In Diack's translation, the text of the first movement reads:
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Some ideas I'd like to implement for this article include:
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I'd be very happy if someone could explain? Thanks. --
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