Talk:Lion/Archive 2 - Knowledge (XXG)

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be objective, must be extremely powerful! Tigers do kill gaur, and adult, though rarely, that's what the observation and feces analysis in Bandipur and Nagarhole NP have concluded. Why there's no documentary? I said above already, and documentary is not the only way to prove one thing. You really think when wwf pusblishes a newsletter, they love the issue of tiger owning lion so much that they decide to exaggerate the tiger's deed by saying it has killed a mother rhino? How about the guys who discover that indochinese tigers majorly hunt banteng ,a cape buffalo-sized ox in Laos? A lion pride is a single entity, don't take them individually. To say that a tiger can't kill a 1500 kg gaur or rhino that would take a pride of lions is really... Is that a rule? What do you base on to come up with such idea? Well, I don't mean to offend you, so if you find my word offensive, please be a bit forgiving, I really don't mean it. Lastly, you might find the following news and reports mostly...educational:

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tigers, incl. Siberian in size, with one weighed as much as 388kg, that's an utopia for wild cats. And when I talked about a 320kg indochinese, it's a wild too, killed in 1958. Ther's only a handful of captive indochinese tigers if you care; and the weights are therefore,biased. Who knows about the origin of that tiny captive population? And regard Siberian, well, it's the 2nd largest feline in the world, after the North indian race. A siberian weighs an average of 230kg, that's obvious. I don't know from where you got the figure no wild siberian tiger exceeding 550lb from, the same way some people say Bengal stops at 258kg. Well, siberian tigers can go as much as 295kg, as confirmed by Igor paelanov, a leading authority on Siberian, please read the book:tiger in the snow for that. the largest cat of course is the tiger of North india, which can surpass 360kg and averages 250kg for male. But, according to so-called scientific journals, they come second!!Sounds great!

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on it's own and a tiger fed on it. Maybe it was sick or injured and no effort was needed to bring it down. Regardless, I've never seen any proof that 1 Tiger can kill a healthy, full grown buffalo. Look at the lions! I mean, it takes several females or AT LEAST 2 males to bring one Buffalo down! It is silly to assume that 1 tiger can do something that takes a group of lions to do. It's just as rediculous as the claims that a tiger would attack a rhino or an elephant. That's just dumb. The only time I've EVER seen an elephant (full grown) brought down was by a whole pride of lions (and there were a couple dozen of them!). 1 Tiger can't do that.

2249:. ... Information in each account of MSW3 follows a standard format that lists sequentially: scientific name, author, year and publication details; common name; type locality, sometimes verbatim but more often standardized; distribution, listing all range countries in which the species occurs; conservation status, denoting the most recent CITES, U.S. ESA, and/or IUCN listing for the species; any designated synonyms (including their authorship and year of publication) and recognized subspecies; and comments, ... The potential to link the edition’s rich taxonomic information with the extensive biological details of 4358:

lions killed 108 giraffe, 56% of which were identified as males and 31% as females. Of the total number, 64 (60%) were adults, 18 were subadults and juveniles, 12 were suckling young, and 14 were unidentified. These figures resemble the age composition of the stable population of giraffe in the Nairobi Park. Therefore, it seems that lion choose their giraffe prey at random according to age, not predating any one class significantly. They may kill males more than females because the bulls are more often alone and less likely therefore to be warned of approaching danger."

293:"But there are also substantial differences in temperament and volatility between the cape buffalo and gaur, the latter being a much more docile animal". It's wrong. Aggression toward human is different from aggression toward other animals. Cape buffalo, I've seen it being chased by hippo quite a few times, and every time the hippo charges, the buffalo( taller) backs off submissively. The gaur has not been in any documentary at all, that's why it's much less famous than the cape. The perception of a docile animal is biased & incomplete. have a look at the 5173:

comment on the distribution (is it gaussian? skewed? fat-tailed?). This detail is almost never given - and often doesn't exist. While it's basically OK just to state that "most" animals are withing a certain range and mention some record-holders (which is what this article does), casual readers (e.g. high school report writers that might be reading this) should be aware that there is no single "answer" to the question "how big is a lion", and the ranges in these articles give, in fact, a somewhat vague idea. Anyways, it's still a great article. Best, -

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sources that contradict that. While both giraffe and buffalo bulls are formidable and maybe are not preferred prey in all circumstances, they're definitely more common as prey than the other three (with only the huge prides in Savuti and a couple other locales daring to take on adult elephants or hippos). I just wonder if there was a way to distinguish between those groups so that it explains that while buffalo and giraffe bull predation is dangerous for lions, it still happens occasionally, unlike elephant, rhino or hippo predation.

2076:, they are capitalized as well. The problem is that in taxonomy books, the descriptions are often very terse; they focus on a few things: distinctive characteristics, geographical distribution, and habits, and they can often get away with not mentioning the name at all, except at the very beginning. Knowledge (XXG), however, is not a taxonomy guide. The articles on the lion, tiger, snow leopards and other cats have (or can have) much more than just the species' systematics. And, outside of taxonomy, the convention is unanimously 284:

record, a ranger I talked to at Mala Mala Reserve in SA told me that he had twice seen single lionesses do it and once a single nomadic male). The very fact that it isn't featured on one of the many lion documentaries is evidence enough that it's rare, everyone knows it would be a difficult task for a single lion and lions prefer to hunt in groups whenever possible in any case. But there are also substantial differences in temperament and volatility between the cape buffalo and gaur, the latter being a much more docile animal.

2293:, (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2-volume set, 2015 pages. 1,550 illustrations. 1999 edition), one of the pre-eminent reference guides on the subject. The title of each article is given first (before the colon). Note that the English name might be capitalized in the title, but never in the text. When discussing the geographic distribution (whether current or historical) the Latin species name is used; the rest of the time the English name in lower-case letters is used. However, the English names are 1939:: term applied to a large group of gaudy, raucous birds of the family Psittacidae. Parrot also is used in reference to any member of a larger bird group, order Psittaciformes, which includes cockatoos (family Cacatuidae) as well. Parrots have been kept as cage birds since ancient times, and they have always been popular because they are amusing, intelligent, and often affectionate. Several are astonishingly imitative of many sounds, including human speech. 31: 2126:) for the most part, but when they use the common name, it is not capitalized. For example, "but indri can perhaps detect songs up to 3,000 m away (Oliver and O’Conner 1980; Pollock 1975, 1986)." or "The Malagasy name for the indri, babakoto, means father of koto (koto, a little boy)—so given because the calls made by indri seem to be those of a wailing father calling his lost son. The common name for the indri was used in naming ..." See 2155:

reddish, is about 28 cm (11 inches) long and 1.2 kg (2.6 lbs) in weight, and has a furry reddish tail of about body length or longer. The three species that live in western Madagascar's dry forests are smaller, weighing only 800 grams (28 ounces). They are lighter gray with a cream-coloured underside. The Betsiboka avahi (A. occidentalis) has a light facial mask and broad dark rings around the eyes, whereas the recently described..."

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internally consistant would be a good thing. But don't let that stop settling the bigger issue. Two meta issues seem important to me: ease of comprehension for a reader, and simplicity of convention to promote contributions from editors. I think the meta issue of original research is not applicable, that policy is to protect reliability of content, not issues of typeface etc. Were I to vote, I would vote for capitalization of

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even claim that 1 tiger can bring down an elephant!!! LMAO! The fact is, there is no photo or video evidence of a singe male lion or tiger bringing down anything larger than a deer (or wilderbeast/zebra in lion's case). That's a fact. A full grown buffalo would be too much for any cat to take on solo. Again, not to say it can't happen as there are always exceptions, but logic is logic. And a cat is a cat.

2615:, with 25-35 individual species accounts issued each year. Each uniform account summarizes the current understanding of the biology of an individual species including systematics, distribution, fossil history, genetics, anatomy, physiology, behavior, ecology, and conservation. The accounts vary from 2-14 pages depending upon what is known about the species (See their editorial board 2927: 223:

about tiger said there is no indochinese tiger. Bengal and indochinese both belong to the mainland subspecies. It explained the fact that quite a few indochinese tiger skins well over 3m in total length, and some killed specimen that weighed over 300 kg. These data are nowhere on the internet, though.Mane lions are usually have less weight than the hairy lions

4113:"Cave paintings of European cave lions show exclusively animals with no or just hinted manes, suggesting that these prehistoric lions were more or less maneless." Unpack 'these.' Prehistoric lions of a particular locale? Of Europe in general? Or the entire species? (I'm recollecting reading that manelessness in Tsavo may represent a more primordial form.) 1543:, No. 152, pp. 1-8. (The citation requires JSTOR access; however, I will be posting excerpts from it and other sources below.) Outside of taxonomy, the convention in all other fields, (like Wildlife Studies, Ecology, Genetics, Behavior, Reproduction, Conservation, Geography, History, that have scholarly journal articles about the lion) is unanimously 280:

there's never any evidence. Decads of studying tigers and all those experts can't find ONE shred of photo or video evidence to prove that a tiger can kill larger game... A tiger is a tiger... not a super cat. The lion is on the same size scale and it can't bring animals that size down solo. That stands to reason that neither can a tiger.

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There have always been the 700 lb/320 kg exadurations. In reality (studies have confirmed this many times) the wild Siberian Tigers are around 500 lb. In fact, no wild Siberian Tiger measured in the last 20 years have been over 550 lb. That's a fact. The old hunting stories that claim 700 lb tigers can't be taken as facts.

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340, Jaguar; tigris, 152, Tiger; Uncia uncia, 20, Snow Leopard." and they also say: "The taxonomy used by Mammalian Species for species indentification follows that of Mammal Species of the World (MSW3) used by the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History." However, in their full-length essays, they

2101:. Does EB use any type-setting difference to set the name apart from the rest of the text ? Some book authors get past the problem by using all caps. While I can understand lion and tiger being accepted as established English words which can be used in lower case, I cannot see how it would be used for something like 2635:. Published since 1919, the highly respected international scientific journal promotes interest in mammals throughout the world by the publication of original and timely research on all aspects of the biology of mammals; e.g., ecology, genetics, conservation, behavior, and physiology.) Read the abstracts 4485:

contents for each biology article I work on. It is now in more or less the same order as other cat FAs. I also noted a description of a lead somewhere as something someone could read if they didn't want to read the article (which they can here, and the TOC comes next so they can flip over it). cheers,

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of the species and article length justify the inclusion of a second image here instead of later in the article. Field guides and standard encyclopedias often include two (or three) "type species" images where there are large differences between males, females, and sometimes juveniles (most often the

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I would add a "Media" section to the article but Knowledge (XXG)'s video media inclusion is too much in its infancy for me (it seems to require a link to a player on the personal page of some guy on another wiki site) - once this matures I would contribute my media to the commons and include that way

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capitalization. I just went through almost a hundred papers (read their titles and abstracts) on the lion, in journals of wildlife biology, ecology, reproduction, molecular biology, etc. In none of them was "lion" capitalized. The tertiary sources like Britannica or Encarta, also don't capitalize.

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Can someone provide a reliable source for the contention that lion populations were alive and well in Southern and Western Europe in historical times? While I have read about lions having survived in the Balkans up to the 5th century B.C., the possibility of Julius Caesar standing face to face with a

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I have been debeting this issue on Tigers for years. I've read a lot of books and seen a lot videos. In the end, there is not concrete proof that a Tiger can kill a full grown Buffalo or a Gaur. NONE. Pictures like you shown don't really prove a kill. It may have been an old animal that died

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Looking at the head and horns, this must be a very large gaur. Btw, I don't think people should consider tiger or lion merely "big cats"; it's an insult to them. Even if a domestic cat grows to the size of lion/tiger, it's nothing like them, a cat is a cat, yes; but a tiger or a lion is no cat. They

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OK, essentially there seems to have been one real biggie of 272 kg but otherwise most ranges are much smaller. All the zoo webpages are tertiary sources who've got their material from elsewhere. I did get a textbook by Schaller which I have now returned to the library. If you want to alter it again,

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I agree it bugs me too, but I prefer hybrid section down the bottom somewhere as I think it is relatively unimportant. I actually wanted taxonomy further up as in other articles, but it has been moved down due to its length. I was wondering myself whether the whole section should be moved up (except

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Sorry, I thought Britannica entries were in bold-face (but that was an artifact of the search process—it was bold-facing what I was looking for!) Here is a portion of their entry on the avahi (also not capitalized): "The eastern avahi (Avahi laniger), which lives in rainforests, is grayish brown to

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inhabits the mountains of central Asia and the Indian subcontinent, ranging from an elevation of about 1,800 metres (about 6,000 feet) in the winter to about 5,500 metres (18,000 feet) in the summer. Its soft coat, consisting of a dense, insulating undercoat and a thick outercoat of hairs about 5 cm

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capitalization. I am not sure where WP editors have come up with this notion of capitalizing English names of mammalian species. Here are excerpts from Encyclopaedia Britannica's "lion," "tiger," "snow leopard," "puma (cougar)," and "jaguar" pages. (I have boldfaced the names for easy recognition;

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published by the American Society of Mammalogists (the same people who have compiled MSW3, see secondary sources section below), which has full-length essays 5 or 6 pages long (like Knowledge (XXG)). Note that, on their taxonomy page, they say: "Subfamily Pantherinae: Panthera leo, 762, Lion; onca,

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Now, most of the population lives in eastern and southern Africa, and their numbers are rapidly decreasing, estimated as between 16,000 and 30,000 living in the wild, down from an estimated 100,000 in the early 1990s. In addition, the remaining populations are often geographically isolated from each

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Lastly, the indochinese tiger's size data has been taken in the early 1970s, at which time there's no zoo outside Indochina has this tigers in captive. That's a time of warfare and poverty, the zoo is like a refuge camp. The tigers are in very bad conditions, hence the low weight. Think about it, if

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The unanswered question is, what do all of the ranges in the "Physical characteristics" section actually refer to? Mean plus and minus one s.d? Two s.d.'s? A 95% interval? The error around an estimate of the mean? The most meaningful (no pun intended) information would be a mean, a variance and a

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never capitalized. Here is their indri entry: indri (Indri indri) slender, long-limbed primate found in the forests of Madagascar. The largest of the lemurs, it is 60–70 cm (24–28 inches) long, with a rudimentary tail and large hands and feet.... Active during the day and thoroughly arboreal, the

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has been one of the best-known wild animals since earliest times. Lions are most active at night and live in a variety of habitats but prefer grassland, savanna, dense scrub, and open woodland. Historically, they ranged across much of Europe, Asia, and Africa, but now they are found mainly in parts

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I don't have a source at the moment, but it is true for the Filine AIDS. My cat has that and I spoke with the Vet about it. I don't know about research on human aids, but the lion is the only species of cat that is know to live comfortably with AIDS. It's dowright imune to it. Again, I never

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And now, predation. My main subject here is the size, so this will be my last talk on predation, to avoid starting another tiger lion comparison. Well, for the professional wildlife photographers, it's easy to distinguish btw kill and eaten carcass. And a gaur of that size(look at the head), well,

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Not having wild speciments to measure is the reason for the exadurations in size. Captive animals are MUCH bigger in weight (fat) than the wild counterparts. So yeah, I'm sure they found a 300 kg Indo-Chinese, but same can be said for Captive Lions as well. Just like with the Siberian Tiger.

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I disagree on 1: You forgot the indochinese, a forgotten tiger subspecies, which grows to bengal-like size. It's never been a focus of tiger study due to its rarity and political difficulties in its region. In fact, I have watched documentary which dismisses the distinction between 2 subspecies. So

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The way the section currently reads, it appears as if lions do not prey on buffalo or giraffe bulls any more frequently than on elephants, rhinos and hippos, and that's not entirely accurate. I know the source cited states that they rarely prey on buffalo or giraffe bulls but I've seen a number of

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I've read a number of source materials detailing single tigers taking down adult gaur, even Corbett himself recounts such a story in one of the Man Eater books. Can't remember which. In any case, it's apparently much more prevalent than single lions taking down adult cape buffalo (although for the

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About predation, I searched alot on youtube, but couldn't find any. I think a tiger can kill a buffalo or a gaur, but by no mean easily; only the most experienced tigers will take them on. If you speak of video, no doc. about Bengal tiger has been made outide ranthambore and bandhavgarh NP( the NG

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The MSW is a taxonomy guide, appropriate for short descriptions, like a field guide (written in terse sentence fragments). However, Knowledge (XXG) articles are comprehensive full-length essays that not only have description of characteristics, distribution, and habits (as in a field guide), but

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I have NEVER seen a lone male lion killing a full grown Cape buffalo. Now, that's not to say that they can't. But that would be a rarity. Cats are cats, not super-animals. This also applies to the Tiger. All the crap that's written how 1 tiger can take down a full grown Gaur. Some fools

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Sorry to revert you before. Most websites got their original refs from books. When we did a major overhaul of the article to get it to Featured article status we trawled through alot of high quality refs to come to the article as it stands. I've been busy lately but will have a closer look soon.

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The most extensive study of large African predators has been done by Pienaar (1969), who studied 46,181 kills in the Kruger National Park from 1933-46 and 1954-66. During these periods 675 giraffe were killed by lion, two by crocodiles, and two young calves by cheetah. In the two following years

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in the wild, the indochinese can weigh as much as 300 - 315kg, and 3.2m long, it must averages about 200 kg, right? So has the gaur data. That's why u see so many sources, in 1000s, said a very stupid bullshit: "gaur bull weighs up to a ton". Oh man, nothing can be anymore stupid and ridiculous.

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My friend, your argument captive animal larger than wild is not always true. I've seen a siberian tiger in the local zoo, and it turned out to weigh only 180kg, a male. Wild animal with abundant food grows huger than those in zoo, as in the case of northern Indian tigers, which surpass any other

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As I said, the studies on indochinese tigers are really limited, no wild indo. tiger has been measured; the weights are taken from captive specimens. So if you choose to belive the article, it's fine, but it's biased(btw, I already read that article long time ago). One documentary I have watched

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No they don't kill children for food. In majority cases of a lion actually killing a human for food the lion had a severe injury which made it extremely difficult to catch anything. Lions are not man-eaters but will kill people to get rid of competition or self defense which is called intraguild

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The sketch of two lions at this page is attributed to 'Alfred Durer.' His real name, in German, was ALBRECHT DURER (w/ umlaut U). ALBRECHT, NOT ALFRED. Also, someone might want to add that the cognate of 'pura' (in the section mentioning 'SINGAPORE' = "lion city") is noneother than the Greek

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Spoke too soon. If a thing can be between two amounts, *and* it can be "more" than the greater of those two ammounts, then the upper limit becomes an arbitrary and meaningless limit. Why not just, "can reach over 1,000 pounds"? That would indicate that we are sure that they can reach over 1,000

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There are now a significant number of other FAs with this layout/order of sections. I pondered over this and during the development of the article the section moved up and down a bit. In the end I figured that although it was unfortunate this section was so hefty here, I wasn't keen on juggling

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My argument is that when you look at hunting footage of lions you can clearly see that a single lion can't bring down something like a full grown buffalo. A tiger is not that much bigger, on average, than a lion. It's silly to say that he could do that. And while I hear all those reports,

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but it seems to me that since wikipedia has no viable alternative for video, that the policy should take this into account and be more accepting of links to externally hosted videos. In addition, the recommended maximum for media files on the commons is 5M. This is insufficient for any decent

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Ouch! I don't feel competant to vote. However, may I recommend patience. This is an important and helpful, but big issue. It needs time to understand the variety of conventions in the literature. The pay-off would be a clear convention for Wiki. Perhaps an interim consensus so this article is

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Sorry, I meant to leave a note -general galleries are not promoted as good for style of articles and we're working this up for FA nomination. What people are encouraging is to upload images to Knowledge (XXG) Commons from where all language Wikipedias can access them and the Lion page there

2279:, (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2-volume set). Articles on: "lion," "cheetah," "cougar," "clouded leopard," "snow leopard," "indri," "avahi," "sifaka," "woolly opossum," "black-shouldered opossum," and "mountain gorilla." Nomenclature based on MSW. Note, however, that English names are 4471:

I think it is not good to have the taxonomy at the beginning of the article. Actually my personal interrest belongs to taxonomy and pleistocene mammals, but I think the average user is not happy with a list of some debatable subspecies at the beginning of the text. Better would be physical

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Looking at it now: this is an excellent TOC. Really, this is a very good balance between specificity and not being overwhelming. Going back five hundred edits, I think the TOC was much less precise and browsable. I'm not in the "TOC is incidental" camp—I think TOCs are essential to content

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FWIW, I reorganized along the lines of all other cat articles for uniformity. The evolution and taxonomy stuff is interesting and no less important than that of other articles. It is also shorter with the number of subspecies reduced and the hybrids moved further down the article. cheers,

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The article states the lion's maximal speed 80 km/hr, ostensibly on the basis of Schaller's findings (p233). What Schaller actually writes is: "Howell(1944) listed it as 80 km/hr, a figure which is too high; Guggisberg (1961) mentioned 48 to 59 km/hr and this estimate agrres with mine."

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Does a male weigh 500 or 600 lbs? The reason I am asking this question here is because I do not want to start or get involved in an edit war. In the physical characteristics section, it says that ONE MALE was 600 lbs. It also says that the weight of lions ranges from 330 lbs to 500 lbs.

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I notice that we don't actually have a full paragraph on habitat. It's mentioned in passing but not directly addressed. (Under what conditions do they take to forest?) I prefer Distribution and Habitat to Range as a section title. In that section, I think too many words are devoted to

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I commented out the list of subspecies for now, then realized that someone - you - had been working on it very recently. Might I ask that you convert this list to prose, paragraph form? We generally avoid having bullet points in articles, especially so early on in the article. Thanks.

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Hmmm..it seemed clear as I wrote it that 'these' referred to those cave lions being illustrated - unfortunately we can't generalise - and other ways of writing would be cumbersome 'lions of that locale and/or time', or repeat 'european cave lions' - I can make it 'they'....cheers,

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guys really suck), where buffaloes, rhinos and gaurs don't exist. I guess cos' of tiger's elusive nature, plus its very low number, it's much harder to film than lions, the ratio of lion/tiger doc. must be about 20/1. But I have a few photos of gaur kill, and below is one of them.

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functions as a more comprehensive image gallery. Then, on the lion page we try to work pictures beside the text they are relevant to. I was trying to figure out where and how we could use the images. Again, sorry for the removal and the images deifinitely are appreciated. cheers,

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Get all info and layout right - bits and pieces of copyediting is good at the time but don't waste too much time at this point as when you move chunks of text you may find words repeated close together again after you'd spent time making the text look non-repetitive in the first

3238:: "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." Personal sites are almost always deprecated here because of reliability concerns and because we don't want EL sections swamped. We need to see that these videos clearly add to the article 4295:

The Aberdares sample included in the book contained four adult males for linear dimensions but only three of these were weighed. The Abderdares Mts are close to Mt Kenya, where Bongo Woodley was a warden where he shot that lion that I mentioned above as the largest verified

1996:(Geopsittacus occidentalis), of Australia was thought to be extinct, until a dead one was found in 1990. It feeds at night on spinifex grass seeds and dozes under a tussock by day. Its nest is a twig platform in a bush and is entered by way of a tunnel. Equally unusual is the 4149:

I do not see the problem about that sentence. All known prehistoric cave-paintngs show exclsively lions without or just hinted manes. As far as I know most european cave paintins are from france or spain, but that doesen´t matter and cave lions count not as seperate species.

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Somebody has edited the subspecies list, and there have been some changes. I am missing the abyssinian lion. What happened to it? Is it just missing from the new list or has it lost it subspecies status? The subspecies list should be updated with comments for the changes.

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Web site contains useful summaries of their studbooks that I believe should be considered reliable. (The studbooks themselves are quite difficult to track down, or at least they were for pygmy hippos... I was unsuccessful.) Here's their summary of the lion studbook:

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I think the links above are not really reliable sorces. Walkers mammals of the world says 150 to 250 kg (ca. 330-550 lb) for a male and 120-182 kg (264-400 lb) for a female. I can add this info if you want. I guess, that fat 550 lb lions are probably only known from

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I would dearly love to correct this but the page is locked and I can't be bothered to register. Please, some kind person change the passage to actually mean something. Remember, lions are usually big but when they are not, they can be half that size. That's a fact.

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I want to repeat again that 225 kg is not the largest recently verified weight (not even second largest). Bruce Patterson in his book "The Lions of Tsavo" (2004) lists three lions from Aberdares that were 180 kg, 200 kg, and 230 kg. Here is the scan from his book.

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section I've not really read through and digested yet. If you can find anything on baiting and taming or hybrids that would be extremely muchly appreciated, while I finish up the zoo bits with the books I just got and then have a look at the maneater bit...cheers,

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Well put. Your counsel for patience is well taken too. I have moved the discussion of the larger issue to the section below (where I am also collecting secondary and tertiary sources) so that the interim consensus for the lion page can be reached expeditiously.

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I have to say that this article contains several traces of informal language and colloquial terms, something which is usually frowned upon in our best articles. I have cleared some of it up, but there may be more. Examples include '...unlike the regular lion which

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There have been more than one male lion on record over 250 kg. Two were 272 Kg and one I know was 260 kg. And these are in reliable scientific papers/books. These are not hunting records either. I can post the references if you want to. The one reference for one

969:"Nathalie came on the radio this morning. She had spotted a baby elephant killed by lions near the den on the Machtour. We found the carcass later that afternoon; it was a three year old femlae, still tuskless, whose mother may have been killed by poachers." 1528:

page. It's sections are: 1) Context and Content, 2) Diagnosis, 3) General Characters, 4) Distribution, 5) Fossil Record, 6) Form and Function, 7) Ontogeny and Reproduction, 8) Ecology, 9) Behavior, 10) Genetics, 11) Literature Cited. As I said above, they

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There is a lot of evidence, which say, that tigers can kill adult gaurs by their own. If someone says, he wants to see a video to believe that, I would say, that kill-videos of tigers are very rare. Actually one could also argue, that a tiger can not kill a

3224:- but for now an EL to a video hosted on another site seems to be the best way to go (by the way, my site is not fly-by-night, it's been up far longer than wikipedia has.) If I don't hear anything in 72 hours I will assume approval and re-add the link. 364:"March ended on a high note when Solly’s guests saw a lone male lion take down a buffalo bull on his own. Buffalo are normally difficult for a whole pride of lions to bring down, so it is quite remarkable for the guests to have witnessed what they did." 4051:

While it's not make it or break it at all, the placement of Hybrids has bugged me. I think it follows under Physical charactistics or (probably better) Reproduction. Taxonomy doesn't really make sense as hybrids don't have distinct taxonomic status (I

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Your link looks like a valid publication. I think you can add the size of up to 272 kg for exeptional large lions (additional to the data from walkers mammals...), but you must add a complete reference, that others know where they can find and check

2194:(which use MSW nomenclature for their systematics, but do not capitalize English names), Encyclopaedia Britannica, and others. I will eventually move the discussion to WikiProject Mammals, since this problem is wider than just for the "lion" page. 3575:

It makes it sound like there might have been some sad little cave-restricted lions back in the day. Quite the mental image. Someone please reword this or delete it altogether. The grammar and spelling could use a little help (okay a lot) also.

2531:. Note that in the taxonomy section, they write the common names in block capitals: CLOUDED LEOPARD (E), PANTHÈRE LONGIBANDE (F), PANTHÈRE NÉBULEUSE (F), PANTERA DEL HIMALAYA (S); however, in their detailed documentation, "clouded leopard" is 306:

Looking at the huge head and horns, it's obviously a very huge gaur, in the range of 1400 - 1500 kg. But, looking at the coat, it's dark brown, not jet black. Bull gaur 9 years old and older always possess jet black coat. You can see it here:

5164:. There will always be some extreme values which people seem to care about a lot - they are often one of the first numbers invoked is a species description (e.g. the 600 lb lion is at the top of the lead in this article, just as the 4500 lbs 2007:

family (Cacatuidae) numbers 21 species from Australia, New Guinea, and nearby islands. The group includes the cockatiel (Nymphicus hollandicus), a smaller bird. All are crested and have heavy beaks for cracking nuts and seeds. The so-called

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The largest verifiied lion in the wild isn't 225 kg. It's 272 kg. The 272kg specimen represent the highest verified weight for a wild lion in recent years. The source is the article "Panthera leo" from the American Society of Mammalogists.

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I'll update as I go along. In other news, the Red List update arrived over the last couple of days. Along with a moment of silence for the newly extinct and endangered species, people might want to check the IUCN link for any changes.

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I'll outline 3 options and can people please vote below -I've trawled through a few weighty discussions lately and I think my eyes will fall out if I have another - I figured we'd better get this straight before we went any further:

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is in it's article). But it doesn't make sense to include extremes in a size range that is presented as typical of a species. No one would lead an article about humans with "reaching 9 feet in height", although that's technically

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to have discussed the rationale for this. If such a discussion exists, I would vote for following a comprehensive work such as MSW rather than guidelines developed here by consensus. From what I see on the common name query on the

1800:) in strength and ferocity. Ranging from the Russian Far East through parts of North Korea, China, India, and Southeast Asia to the Indonesian island of Sumatra, all five remaining subspecies are endangered. The Siberian, or Amur, 4597:- yes I agree - good spot which may reduce some duplication. My access will be patchy today and looks like my connection is slow. I am more than happy for you to do it but if you can't I'll do it sometime in the next day or two. 4818:

Someone please correct the awful line "...Reaching up to over 272 ". If it can be "over" then it isn't only "up to". If it is only "up to" then it cannot be "over". Is 272 a limit, or isn't it? Thank you. Now I can relax.

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states "usually killing it by strangulation or suffocation, showing incredible strength in doing so." Just noticed the differences when reading, if its incorrect someone please update it :) - anonymous 07:58, 13 March 2007

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A reliable source? How is gmaxwell's wikipedia page (where the player for theora files resides) a "reliable source" and any better than a web site that has been up longer than wikipedia itself? I understand the spirit of

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Because of the reason, that the book is quite old, I updated the subspecies according to newer papers, which are mentioned under references in the article. These four subspecies are not recognized in the newer literture:

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Given it's comprehensiveness, the IMDb has become established on Wiki. I would call it borderline (I won't dig them up at the moment, but their disclaimer and info pages suggest as much); it's suitable to an EL but

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indri clings to trees and climbs in an upright position as it feeds on leaves, fruit, flowers, and other vegetation. ....The indri is an endangered species found only in remote parts of northeastern Madagascar ..."

1953:, is by far the largest subfamily, with members found in warm regions worldwide. These birds have a blunt tongue and eat seeds, buds, and some fruits and insects. Many members of the subfamily are known simply as 2059:

PS I was thinking about why Knowledge (XXG) editors have capitalized many names, and I wondered if some (or many) of the people involved in these WikiProjects are taxonomists or have interest in taxonomy. There

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Yeah, wasn't added by me. This is a big article and I was thinking what to do with this myself...I had left it in case anyone expanded on it as we've got a bit of a run-on on this article at the moment.cheers,

2245:(J Mammal Evol (2007) 14:67–69 DOI 10.1007/s10914-006-9022-6), Patterson states, "Like its predecessors, the third edition of Mammal Species of the World (MSW3) is a product of the Checklist Committee of the 5076:

I suppose, but as they occurred everywhere except Australia and Antarctica at some point may be tricky to have on same map as current distribution, then having two maps seems like overkill really...cheers,

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I have removed this sentence from the article as it makes a number of assertions and is completely unsupported by references. I suggest it not be readded until reliable sources can be found to confirm this.

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include the word 'generally' or 'usually' in the wieght range so it doesn't conflict with the one record and can you please format the ref with accessdate etc. The smithsonian one would be best. cheers,

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The article needs a world distribution map showing the approx distribution range for lions both for the present as well as the past. Can someone make and add one. The article seems incomplete without it.

1972:, relatively good-tempered. Some are said to have lived 80 years. The bird is about 33 cm (13 inches) long and is light gray except for its squared, red tail and bare, whitish face; the sexes look alike. 1361:(I don´t see any reason, why a subspecies should be small and a species capitalised. What happens if someone finds, that cave lions are a distinct species? So I say everything small or everything large!-- 2081:

It's one thing to capitalize in a terse description (often composed of sentence fragments) as in taxonomy; it's another to capitalize in an essay which touches on many many things beyond taxonomy.

1605:, No. 762, pp. 1–11, 3 figs. (Published 15 July 2005 by the American Society of Mammalogists). As you can see "lion" is not capitalized. (Initially, when they are dealing with taxonomy, they use 3021:

Hi everyone. Do folks think any sections are ready for copyedit? I'm ready to get started but can only do a little bit at a time, so if there is a chunk I can get working on that would be great.

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largest New World member of the cat family (Felidae), once found from the U.S.-Mexican border southward to Patagonia, Argentina. Its preferred habitats are usually swamps and wooded regions, but

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to have uniform TOCs. It's nice to see the consistency, but different article pressures—that Lion is simply a much bigger topic than any other cat, for instance—may demand different structures.

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When all the content is more or less right, have a go at polishing the LEAD which is a summary of the article anyway (I'm impatient and generally sneak editing the lead beforehand - naughty me)

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Good point, Footballfan I think a good book ref trumps the net in most cases, Altaileopard I would be very happy if you swtiched the refs for the usual wieghts to that ref you have. cheers,

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I have removed most of the unsourced statements. For the time being, an Asiatic population surviving in the Caucasus well into Medieval times doesn't seem so far-fetched, so I left that one.

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What is left? I am going to go on a big ref hunt tomorrow, see if I can find some more refs, maybe a bit more content - but what is there really left to do? This is FA material, I think. --

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I forgot 1 thing: in the book "Monster of god" pub. in 2003, pg 86-87, the author, an american naturalist, have observed that in the Gir forest, it takes a pride of lionesses to kill a male

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have only skimmed the book. I had to change the feeding stuff as it was wrong. If it is ambiguous, let me know and we can work on it. I'll be away from keyboard for a while now. back later.

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page suggests people with experience but I've always avoided using it when it comes up on searches. In fact, I generally avoid zoos unless it's quite generic—colour of the coat and so on.

972:"Nathalie said that lions in the park commonly prey on young elephants. ... Elephants orphaned by poaching become the prefered prey of lions in Manovo-Gounda-Saint Floris National Park." 2905:

offered to copyedit but I still had some issues with the comprehensiveness of the content. OK, place it there and if no-one offers after 7-10 days I'll get a usual suspect. :) cheers,

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could look to a reader like any lion in any cave, not a specific sub species. However, I also like removal of capitals, because context rather than typeface should make meaning plain.

2563:. (David Macdonald is Professor of Wildlife Conservation at the University of Oxford, Founder and Director of the Wildlife Conservation Unit at Oxford, and creator of the documentary 4758:

Gosh, good pick-up. I'd completely forgotten about that. Umm...I don't mind if you wanna try and stick it in but try to get a ref and format and I will try and streamline...cheers,

801:, which says, that usually 11 african subspecies are accepted, but most of them are probably invalid. I wrote it in this way in the text and added two missing of these subspecies. -- 129:? If they have been known to attack and kill (human?) children for food, fine, but the wording of this sentence is just strange because it sounds like their diet is mostly children. 4736:

but I think the lion dance should be mentioned in the main article if possible because it's very well-known. I should be working now, not adding random things to talk pages :-) ...

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Thanks for input -the article is pretty big as is and would have loved to add more. Am considering a fork article. Or it will be written about on American lion subarticle cheers,

3572:"Cave paintings of european cave lions show excusively animals with no or just hinted manes, what is evidence to suggest, that these prehistoric lions where more or less maneless." 3292:

Presently, there are images of female lions in the article, including one just added to the taxobox. Please see discussion below for ideas of about images to include/exclude. --

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Second, which image. If different to the one currently there, please place a thumb or link here. I am switching back currently as the one just put in is blurry and indistinct.

1837:(2 inches) long, is pale grayish with dark rosettes and a dark streak along the spine. The underparts, on which the fur may be 10 cm (4 inches) long, are uniformly whitish. The 3493:

Yes, I am a sysop. If the 58ip keeps it up I will put on a temp block, but he hasn't been warned in due process yet. I'll wait to see what others think before I SP, though. --

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juvenile distinction is in bird field guides, so it may not be relevant here and I'm not advocating a juvenile lion image). Anyway, so I say two images for those reasons. --

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At four sentences, I think the LEAD spends too much time on captivity. I would shorten this to two sentences and add one or two re attacks on humans, which isn't mentioned.

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is active mostly at dusk, night, and dawn. Throughout its range its primary prey is hoofed mammals (ungulates, especially deer) larger than itself. In North America each

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I've tagged a few places which need refs. Please try to add tem in cite format. If a book, book page is good, journal articles from peer-reviewed journals would be great!

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likewise, looking at the coat, shows that this gaur cow is about 4-5 year old, another healthy adult cow of about 700 - 750 kg. Female older than 8 have dark brown coat.

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Sorry, now we have even more subspecies in the list, but I think it is better. The list in the book I mentioned above is probably incomplete. So I followed now Heptners

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for capitalizing names, essentially a result of replacing the Latin names (in which the genus name is capitalized) by English ones. For example, in my old copy of the

264://tigress fights bull elephant in north india, the latter dies from injury. Coincidentally, the tusker killed by a tiger in the late 1950s was also in northern india. 1288:(subspecies should be written as "Asiatic lion," not "Asiatic Lion." (See my post "Style and Convention" below. See also the excerpts from Britannica posted there.) 310:

This makes it very clear that this gaur bull is a normal, healthy adult bull, by no mean "near dead" or even old. Bull 14 years or older is considered an old bull.

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of cat - but this would be wordier and all because of a few odd hybrids in captivity somewhere. essentially the liger is not a species nor is it natural.cheers,

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I've added a paragraph on lions in China - it's more about the depictions of lions in Chinese art than the lion dance, but IMHO it covers things reasonably well.

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be mentioned? It's the only cultural depiction worth mentioning that isn't in this article. Otherwise this is a great article - I enjoyed reading and editing it.

272://mother rhino killed by tiger, wwf takes care of calf. Well, actually a mother rhino is less than a gaur bull, so this deed is trivial. gaur bull = rhino bull. 2587:. (See index on Amazon). (Edwin Gould is Curator Emeritus of the National Zoo, Smithsonian Institution, after 16 years as Head of the Department of Mammalogy.) 672:

I'm having a bit of trouble finding the name of leaders of a prides. Do you know were I could find out the name, or if you know it yourself, could you tell me.

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Care to provide any references? It's still listed as vulnerable in the IUCN Red List, so I reverted your change until you can provide any supporting evidence.

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not the body. If you simply want to source that a movie exists with a given title to the IMDb, that's fine. No plot details or judgements of quality, however.

4910:-polis, in words like metropolis, metropolitan, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, megalopolis, etc. One could just add: cognate with Grk. polis. ---20/10/2007 4578:

I'm looking at the subsection I've added under "Captivity" and thinking it should really be merged with "Population and conservation status", any thoughts?

2000:, or ground... Photograph:Sulfur-crested cockatoo (Cacatua galerita). Sulfur-crested cockatoo (Cacatua galerita). Warren Garst/Tom Stack & Associates 1370:

Actually I would prefer everything small, but i don´t care to much about that and I think, we will come to a consensus earlier, if I choose this option.--

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As I've mentioned to Cas before, I don't understand the General / Specific format in the references. It's not a bibliographical form I've seen before.

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but i couldn't find any but found some other fascinating ones in UNSW library and added a bit today to which I need ato add a bit more and polish. The

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As you can see from the excerpts, they write "parrot," but "African gray parrot." For mammals, the consensus in the literature is even more lop-sided

1494: 1804:(P. tigris altaica) is the largest, measuring up to 4 metres (13 feet) in total length and weighing up to 300 kg (660 pounds). The Indian, or Bengal, 5246:]. Well, many sources say that a lion weighs 530 lbs. I will change the 600 lbs part to 530 lbs if I know that an edit war will not start over this. 788:

okay, there are definitely too much of them... I will delete all recent subspecies, which are not accepted as valid by this book: Graham Batemann:

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Most male lions have been exposed to a feline form of HIV, but show no symptoms, this is curently being researched as a possible cure for human AIDS.

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predation. Meaning predators kill other predators to get rid of competition for example a lion will also kill a leopard or cheetah but not for food.

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Photograph:Budgerigar (Melopsittacus undulatus), a popular parakeet. Budgerigar (Melopsittacus undulatus), a popular parakeet. Bruce Coleman Ltd.

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heard anything about using that to cure human aids, but it maybe possible to create something for the feline AIDS based on the lion's resistance.

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for the logic. While the Lion is unquestionable, there are many many mammal species whose names follow those of birds': <adjective-clause: -->

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which just gained FA status. There are alot of photos but I'm sure there'll be alot more text to go in here too, so I haven't moved any so far.

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That's great. I can't talk as I can't speak any other language :( But seriously, does anyone have any refs on lions in zoos at all? cheers,

2639:. Not capitalizing vernacular or common names has been a long-standing convention in the journal. Here is the relevant instruction from the 3983:

I'm going to pretend that this is already at FAC as it's so close. I've started going over the prose and there isn't much to complain about.

1968:(Psittacus erithacus) is unsurpassed as a talker; the male can precisely echo human speech. Captive birds are alert and, compared with other 1861:

has the widest distribution of any New World mammal, with a range extending from southeastern Alaska to southern Argentina and Chile ... The

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is still the foremost authority on hunting/pack/cub-rearing, etc. for anyone that can get a hold of it. It's only cited in the article once.

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What are the other cat FAs? I'd like to put my two cents in on the FAC, but want to compare it to other FAs (and other encyclopedias, too).

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particular number of pounds; the sizes are distributed, often over a fairly large range, with over 90% of a population within a couple of

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Would like more info, showing the references, on historic lion spread in Europe. Also, like to know why the lions died out in Americas?

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Would this be a good idea before putting it in to the FA candidates? Might get some good feedback from some outside editors. Thoughts? --

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That´s difficult. All the african subspecies (exept the barbary lion) are probably invalid and can be united to one or two subspecies.--

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Beat you to it Cas ;). I hope my little shot at it looks ok. Its not a stub; might even make it to DYK with a *tad* of beefing up. --

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I have a ref quandary now - namely how reliable is imdb consdered to be? I was going to ref King Leonardo and his short subjects with

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that they cannot be readily replaced by a reliable source. In the case of this animal, I doubt the videos pass on the second count.

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Thanks for noticing. A couple of us are in the process of shaping it up for a tilt at FAC - I'll make a to-do list below.. cheers,

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also fossil record, form and function, genetics, behavior, ecology etc. The comprehensive guide to nomenclature in this context is

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We seem to be getting quite a bit of it on this article after the release of the SP. Might it be an idea to re-apply it? Thanks --

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Why is this happening? What has been going on over the past 15 years to cause the population to plummet? We need an explanation.

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capitalized. I have put the English common names in boldface for easy recognition, they are not in boldface in the text itself.

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are common in the rain forest, where they eat fruits and seeds; they damage crops but are important propagators of the oil palm.

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Sounds good. I'm back from my little holiday now, so I'm ready to give this article some proper attention, starting tomorrow. --

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Zakouma National Park in Chad had extended coverage in National Geographic March 2007, my copy got rained on in the mail box. :(

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Actually I do not want to have them in the article, but I mention them here, to prevent me (and others) from further confusion.--

1857:(archaic) large brownish New World cat comparable in size to the jaguar—the only other large cat of the Western Hemisphere. The 1460: 1009:

Agree - looks like a great book. We'd need the book as now at FAC it is prudent to have the cited text and individual page refs

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This touches on a point which has caused me to scratch my head in the past when writing about sizes. A "male" doesn't weigh

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I've done both those things - thanks for catching the mistake and for the suggestion. I copied the Greek characters from the

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Finally...how big shall I make the communication section? It is as brief as i could be now, but could be a helluva lot bigger

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is virtually extinct in the northern part of its original range and survives in reduced numbers only in remote areas of ...

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More thoughts - I can put more into general activity about sleeping/eating etc or do we think it is enough detail as is?

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PS: I am still looking at article length on this one, its just that it is so dense and succinct already... :( cheers,

3210: 2503:), is restricted to the six extinct volcanoes of the Virunga Range ... Harcourt and Stewart (1984) determined that the 4023:-it doesn't feel like there's too much and I've found info is pretty patchy. I can try and see what comes up cheers, 2640: 361:

This is from the site of a game reserve in South Africa (part of the Sabi Sands which borders Kruger National Park):

2619:; it includes Kristofer M. Helgen, Division of Mammals, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.) 3042:

I think everything down to the subspecies subsection is more or less doen contentwise. Still chasing some stuff for

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GA nom can be good if you find yourself unclear about how to proceed on a topic but I don't worry too much about it.

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Dear all - up till now I've worked on fairly specific lifeforms where the names were capitalized as per MOS - eg

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Yeah, that's a personal userpage so I wouldn't weight too heavily on that one. I'll get to the others. cheers,

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Ugh, are you an admin AD? I say put a temp block on the 58ip right now. Also, I support returning it to SP. --

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in both the northern and southern part of their range ... Based on such behavior, Richard (1985) suggested that

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I am very sorry to say that the Lion is now an Endangered Species. I updated the page as well. -zootycoonfreak

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I am collecting below excerpts from different secondary and tertiary sources, starting with Ernest P. Walker's

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The Lion rangers from 330 to 500 lb. An average fully grown male can be estimated to be in the low 400's.

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I like the current inclusion of the male and female pic in the infobox. I think it further completes it. --

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I don't feel comfortable just adding things willy-nilly to big articles like this - but could the Chinese

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quality, decent length videos, and given the worldwide proliferation of broadband, this is insufficient.

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Then and only then ask one of our overworked wikimicroscopes to mercilessly review/copyedit the article. (

329:. Asiatic lions have simlilar size compared with African lions. A single tiger/tigress can kill a sambar. 266:

http://www.savethetigerfund.org/AM/TemplateRedirect.cfm?template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2225

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Sorry, but I wrote this. I am not a native speaker and have sometimes problems with grammar. Greetings.--

1471:. This format makes distinguishing a species from a more general grouping. A good example is also on the 1187: 682: 476: 4391: 4361: 4300: 4170:

I've used the specific/General format plenty of times, but generally that's for when the "general" refs

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I have gone ahead and semi-protected. The IP vandalism persists and is kind of going out of control. --

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constitute a slightly smaller race that lives under strict protection in India's Gir National Park ....

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calling them, which is the case here (when I grouped it so, one ref had no calls, I seem to remember).

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is found from eastern foothills of the Himalayas through most of southeast Asia ..." (Boldfacing mine.)

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disclaimer, and the fact that their mainpage seems too commercial, that put me off Tigerhomes; their

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This confirms that such predation is rare but within the lion's capabilities and occurs on occasion.

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There are a couple of things it would be good to address/fix before the baptism of fire that is FAC

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I will keep adding excerpts from reliable secondary and tertiary sources for the rest of the day.

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lion article as well. Here it is: Haas, Sarah K., Virginia Hayssen, and Paul R. Krausma 2005.

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http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/where_we_work/asia_pacific/where/nepal/news/index.cfm?uNewsID=18912

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is a different kettle of fish as it is clearly a common word which is both specific and general:

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is a thorn in my side. I think this article is not confirmed and should be completely deleted.--

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I was wondering the same. Someone said it was "superfluous" I think, but I can't see why... --

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Even for birds, for which Knowledge (XXG) editors have chosen to capitalize across the board,

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The second version of my lion pic was promoted to a FP. It's been changed in the taxobox. --

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After my literature, this subspecies is not accepted.... the lions from Ethiopia belong to

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By the way, is there any proof that lion can kill adult buffalo alone? I would like to know

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The focus of the article was elephants. There is coverage of lions killing baby elephants:

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I got this Schaller book, which is a great read. I'm thinking we need a small section on

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Would be nice to get a little info on some of the other subspecies not elaborated on yet.

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Most probable cause is some issue at meta which will probably be corrected really soon.

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is classified as endangered by the USDI and is appendix I ... Unlike many primates, the

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CARNIVORA; FELIDAE; Genus NEOFELIS (Clouded Leopard): The range of the single species,

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Absolutely - just hadn't gotten there yet. I'm finding a good way of doing these FAs is:

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is found in the high mountains of ... Population density estimates across the range of

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readily enters trees, by jumping but is not an adept climber ... In the Serengeti most

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Option 1:lion small letters, but subspecies such as Asiatic Lion/Cave Lion capitalised

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hunting. Maybe I'm being overly concerned, but I found all of these three examples in

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ecosystem...if I get a chance after a few days I'll havea crack at it meselfcheers,

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has the greatest natural distribution of any mammal in the Western Hemisphere except

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THe linked pages have no ads, no content besides the videos, and are simple pages.

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page. Let me first say, that the consensus in the reliable sources is definitively

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The Royal Scotch standard under "Cultural depictions" should be changed to the SVG

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other, which can lead to inbreeding, and consequently, a lack of genetic diversity.

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1. Siberian Tiger 2. Bengal Tiger 3. Indochinese Tiger & African, Asian Lion

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with a good chance of being promoted, in that event, keeping both FP is best. ---

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The family Psittacidae numbers 333 species. The subfamily Psittacinae, the “true”

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section could do with a book citation or three, and I'd love to add a bit to the

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who seems to have a particular obsession with this article, among many others. --

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Wow! That's just fantastic. What a great source, kinda says everyone's right. :D

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I was the one to originally insert the female lion picture in the taxobox. Per

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is capable of climbing and often plays about in trees ... Unlike most cats, the

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http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/raonline/pages/np/tour/nptour_chitw02b.html#rhino02

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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on this page then and see if you can fill some categories if you can? cheers,

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This should be treated under style and convention and not under the purview of

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It's no biggie. I would read to suggest that all European lions lacked manes.

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hybrids which can be placed under description which will be after it.cheers,

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Not bad - I'd worry it'd just sit there. The person I nag alot about these is

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Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference, 3rd Edition

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I am in a hurry right now, but :I feel that there is a very real danger of an

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inhabits coastal and montane ... The most characteristic vocalization of the

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There is no image of a female lion, which has no facial hairs. See image in

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historically had a wide distribution in China, south of the Yangtze ... The

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was considered to be of the highest priority for conservation attention ..."

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Gallic lion is completely new to me. I have placed similar fact tags in the

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Get refs - you may have to leave out some cool stuff which is unreferenced

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This proves that tiger can and do kill healthy adult gaur, bull and cow.

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I think this is a pretty good article. Anyone against a GAC right now?--

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section - there must be loads of stuff here - reserves/subspecies etc.

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On this page, the lion is identified as Pantera Leo. What's going on?

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can somebody tell me ,how long is loin's jump,how long can he jump?--

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No, there is not to much about Iran there is to few about the rest.--

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carefully stalks its prey and may leap ... Density was about 1 adult

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is unrelated to the psittaciforms (see puffin). Additional Reading

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I just noticed the above discussion after I saw changes made on the

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and structured. We need to clean up the number of valid subspecies.

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I think you've done very well with the page. It's very interesting.

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is thought to be like the tiger, essentially solitary but ... The

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section some book refs, but a couple more wouldn't go amiss... --

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Perrin, William F., Bernd Wursig, and J. G. M. Thewissen. 2002.

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Option 3:lion always in small letters, whether subspecies or not

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needs a summary and its own subsection and link in last section

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I suggest someone in the know to take a close look to this diff

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is already posted above. I can post the others if you want to.

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http://kalyanvarma.net/photography/photo.php?id=27&tag=Kill

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OK....let's go (strike out when done or add more) :) cheers,

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to capitalize. Here are some excerpts from its "parrot" page:

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The extinct subspecies are okay (perhaps with the exeption of

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This should be explained or wikilinked in the text, I think.

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It would be OK to put the names in bold-face, but lower-case.

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when you want, you can add this tl: {{Link FA|it}} thanks ;)

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Righto - do we have a strong opinion on the taxobox images?

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Gould, Edwin, George McKay, and David S. Kirschner. 1998.

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capitalize. The citation is: Mazák, Vratislav. (1981).

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Evidence of a single lion killing an adult male cape buffalo

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mammal species, big and small, well known and little known.

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The Lion is a Panthera. It is one of the 4 roaring cats.

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article says that lions are the second-biggest cats after

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eats anything it can catch and kill, but it depends ... a

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sumatra. The indochinese is also particularly aggressive.

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presentation, particularly for long articles. Well done.

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First - one image or two - state preferences under here:

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by S. H. Prater, all animals are capitalized, and in the

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I love the idea of having two pictures. Let's keep 'em.

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I would like to add the following links to the article:

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it looks like the bird-style name seems to be followed.

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section to succinct but comprehensive summary and link.

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Lions are "the second largest feline species, after the

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I suppose it should say the lion is the second biggest

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This is an article that says the range is 330-530 lbs:

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Why are all the pictures blanking out, one by one? ---

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are grassy plains, savannahs, open woodlands, ... The

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P.S. I'm new to Knowledge (XXG) (less than a month).

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http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/felis+leo

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maximal speed given is erroneous, I have corrected it

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Field Guide to the Mammals of the Indian Subcontinent

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Subspecies: Panthera leo roosevelti - Abyssinian lion

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does not roar but has several vocalizations ... The

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Can we start getting some track images for animals?

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I'll look into it. -- 2642:Suggestions for Preparation of Manuscripts Page 2367:, puma, panther, or mountain lion): The names 2344:) was described in 1927 ... The habitat of the 3791:(especially for larger articles like this one) 3440:Yippee, we've reached a consensus... cheers, 2664:, New Series, Vol. 105, No. 2730., pp. 451-452 4876:pounds but that we are not sure by how much. 3855:Also would be good if someone could bluelink 864:- Congo Lion. Northern bank of Lake Victoria. 301:http://flickr.com/photos/anilbapat/136765610/ 262:http://in.news.yahoo.com/050528/43/5yq31.html 231:http://flickr.com/photos/anilbapat/136765610/ 8: 4599:(hopefully my connection will speed up soon) 2406:is classified as vulnerable by the IUCN ..." 2275:Expand for excerpts from Ernest P. Walker's 4264:I will say that a given topic area doesn't 3347:is a featured picture and much better than 2495:"Mountain Gorilla: ... A third subspecies, 2317:remain in a single area throughout ... The 2130:account 694. In Britannica, the names are 4370: 2485:usually have an ornate color pattern ...." 2305:(lion): ... The preferred habitats of the 2289:Here are excerpts from Ernest P. Walker's 2271: 1922: 1748: 1422:(Subspecies: Asiatic lion, or Indian lion) 1042:by its colour' and '...has a disadvantage 126:"Their diet consists of little children." 94:Is there any reference to back up the lin 2402:inhabits various kinds of forest ... The 1891:also live in scrublands and deserts. The 1778:of Africa south of the Sahara. About 200 1091:has very kindly offered to chip in here.) 3282:, which has both male and female lions. 2742:Right - let's drop notes here. cheers, 2492:is thought to inhabit humid forests ..." 4360:Source: Anne Innis Dagg's The Giraffe. 2507:spends about 45 percent of the day ..." 2383:is agile and has great jumping ... The 2336:(Cheetah): ... An additional species, 1697:...gosh. what do we do now....cheers, 1309:(not really competant to vote but ...) 1274:Second choice (sorry I made a mistake) 753:(actually maybe will not be that large) 690:250 kg it's 550 pound, not 500 pounds. 622:Ja ja :D Multo grazie amico mio! Ciao! 368:http://www.djuma.co.za/drumbeat0407.php 102:http://www.african-lion.org/lions_e.htm 3234:See 'Links normally to be avoided' on 2109:etc. What is the EB convention here ? 2041:application of original research here. 1869:kills about 48 ungulates per year ... 1459:discussion below here please. PS: See 1038:with its surroundings', '...it can be 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3687:. Maybe that will be of some use. -- 2398:, extends from central Nepal ... The 1959:macaw, parakeet, conure, and lovebird 1609:, but after page 3, "lion" is used.) 1520:capitalize. I couldn't locate their 7: 4350:Yes, lions regularly prey on giraffe 3703:...well blow me down. Well spotted! 3523:Beat me to it. thanx dude. cheers, 2781:section about breeding programs etc? 2321:usually hunts by slow stalk ... The 1769:large, powerfully built cat (family 268://indochinese hunts banteng in Laos 5124:thanks for your interest. cheers, 3175:...made it a bit bigger...cheers, 2521:IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 1695:(Shuffles feet and looks at ground) 3894:Good idea - I added some cats too 2786:getting refs for cite needed tags. 2122:article, they use the Latin name ( 1792:largest member of the cat family ( 582:Extinction dates of European lions 24: 5453:Umm, when I get a sec...cheers, 4905:Found a mistake but can't correct 4371:What's happening to the pictures? 3896:(categories not felines, that is) 2243:review of MSW3 by B. D. Patterson 2182:American Society of Mammalogists' 1926:Expand to see some excerpts from 1741:Britannica itself doesn't do it.) 1324:Option 2:all variants capitalised 1011:(and I'm sure there'd be a few..) 712:I've rearranged the article like 176:Lion and tiger size -cape buffalo 5474: 5434:Image:Royal arms of Scotland.svg 4311:Thanks - we got it in. cheers, 4090: 3989: 3941:(chipping away, chipping away..) 3141: 2925: 2633:American Society of Mammalogists 2629:American Society of Mammalogists 2613:American Society of Mammalogists 2433:is classified as endangered ..." 2247:American Society of Mammalogists 2033:Talk:Snow Leopard#Recent Changes 1850:mountain lion, cougar, panther 1524:page, but here is their "tiger" 790:Die Tiere unserer Welt Raubtiere 731: 646:I think cathy is a Liger lout!-- 29: 4845:(now how did that get there...) 4802:14:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4774:03:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4748:00:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4727:00:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC) 4699:21:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 4675:19:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 4643:23:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4617:23:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4583:23:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4566:22:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4551:23:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4540:23:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4520:21:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4501:19:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4477:17:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC) 4459:20:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC) 4432:16:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC) 4413:14:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4395:14:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4385:11:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4365:04:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 4345:19:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC) 4327:20:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC) 4304:00:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC) 4279:22:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC) 4259:09:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC) 4232:09:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 4204:03:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 4179:03:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 4158:10:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4145:00:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4118:13:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 4108:19:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC) 4078:06:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC) 4039:21:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 4015:10:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 3959:13:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC) 3933:10:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC) 3914:22:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC) 3890:14:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC) 3875:15:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 3843:15:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 3834:11:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 3784:10:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 2852:the Baiting and taming section 2593:Encyclopedia of Marine Mammals 2470:slept at noon ... She studied 1841:attains a length of about ... 391:Population decrease . . . why? 1: 5516:13:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC) 5240:These articles up to 530 lbs 5093:12:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC) 5069:08:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC) 3763:06:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 3723:21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 3692:18:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 3658:21:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3626:15:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3617:01:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3592:01:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3554:07:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3539:07:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3519:06:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC) 3504:10:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3489:10:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3479:10:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3456:00:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 3432:00:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC) 3412:09:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC) 3401:09:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3385:00:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3364:09:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3331:09:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 3297:09:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC) 2251:Walker’s Mammals of the World 1796:), rivaled only by the lion ( 1565:PS I found another site for 1488:Would expect a work like MSW 1048:a single, small piece of text 297:article and you'll see why. 181:what it means: Siberian : --> 143:17:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC) 5469:22:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC) 5446:20:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC) 5412:17:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC) 5385:14:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC) 5361:22:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC) 5339:11:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC) 5318:03:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC) 5282:02:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC) 5256:00:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC) 5230:01:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC) 5204:03:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC) 5046:11:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC) 5019:11:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC) 4988:07:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC) 4956:14:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC) 4926:02:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC) 4896:20:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC) 4863:23:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC) 4835:20:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC) 4734:cultural depictions of lions 3349:the alternate that was there 3319:the taxobox usage guidelines 3205:Short videos from Botswana: 3197:External link to lion videos 2961:Why was the allery removed? 2356:usually does not ambush ..." 1437:This is also acceptable. — 5183:05:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC) 5140:06:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC) 5116:06:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC) 4994:Ligers are the biggest cats 4732:Hmmm I see it's already in 3287:11:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC) 3266:20:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 3247:14:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 3229:14:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 3191:11:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC) 3166:09:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC) 3130:09:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC) 3106:09:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC) 3070:01:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 3035:04:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC) 3009:01:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC) 2984:21:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC) 2968:15:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC) 2947:02:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC) 2921:00:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC) 2890:23:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC) 2865:10:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC) 2738:To-do list as of 5th Aug 07 2553:The Encyclopedia of Mammals 2421:vary from ... 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