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This is a bit confusing since the 1911 Britannica gives it at 7th Oct, as does the 1893 DNB link. I don't have easy access to the modern ODNB link. However, "A collection of all the wills, now known to be extant, of the kings and queens of
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I don't care if it's referenced, the assertion about Lionel Of
Antwerp's stature is highly questionable. Perhaps it would be more accurate to state that "it has been suggested that ... " or "such and such a source has stated that ..." rather than stating plainly that he "grew to be nearly seven feet
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Agreed. I have never seen him referred to as "1st" Duke. For those of you who need a book (you know who you are
Wikipedants) , Alison Weir in her book on the genealogy of Britains Royal families (called Britains Royal Families) refers to him on p95/96 as "Duke of Clarence" with no number.
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William the Conqueror to that of Henry the Seventh exclusive : with explanatory notes, and a glossary" gives it as the 17th, "having made this will not a fortnight earlier". So I think the 17th is probably correct.
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