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Well, if you are born in one country, you enjoy citizenship of that nation, as well as the nation your mother comes from if she is not an actual resident or citizen of the country in which she gives birth (i.e. if a woman is temporarily in a nation and gives birth). That usually does not apply to
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You're quite right, there are still a few of these. There is no criteria except basic
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I also recall there were quite a bit more sources cited here - some of which now seem gone. I will shortly be removing all Cajuns who are on that page, as well as people who have not been described as French
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I really don't understand this list - it's called French-Americans yet many of the people on here have a grandfather or something who maybe is partly french - sometime, somewhere. That seems to make them people who have people who have a french connection in their history rather than being
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I assume you're talking about the unsourced people... Yes, definitely remove anyone unsourced to a source that actually says they are "French
American" or "French". As for Lambert, the sources says he is French. I was under the impressions that he was American, but I could be mistaken...
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Oh jezz, Jackie's father was 1/4 French. Please find a source that calls Jackie
Bouvier a French-American or French. Not her father (and the source didn't even call her father French or French-American, just said that he was "Of French ancestry", which is only partially correct anyway).
375:- which are linked to from here. A Cajun or a Creole is its own distinct culture and ethnic identity - a spin-off from French - which is why it is linked from here. They used to all be under the same page - but user Hmains separated them into three lists.
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To be very blunt - on this showing I'm going to delete anyone without a clear source on friday. I think a week is lots of time for the amounts of editors working on this article to come up with sources (of course I will be looking for sources as well..
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Excellent! You can list exactly every person on the link you just gave me, which explicitly describes them as "French
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Sigh... the source says she was proud of her French ancestry. It doesn't say she considered herself French or French-American..... Very anal standards, I know, but... I won't remove her yet. I'll look for another source or something.
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GUYS I AM THE ONE WHO CREATED THIS PAGE AND ALL THESES NAMES ARE THE RESULT OF 2 YEAR THESIS!!!! THEY ARE ALL ACCURATE, I DIDNT PUT A SINGLE PERSON FOR WHICH I HD DOUBTS..... ASK ME BEFORE RE-VANDALIZING THE PAGE AGAIN PLEASE
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Good god yes I made that mistake when I first encountered by
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Sounds good to me. However, I would still link those two lists from this page under the "See also", since the cultures are definitely related. But yes, the title would be back to just "French Americans"
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You must have sources. It is as simple as that. Please read and understand WIkipedia policy. We do not list by last names. We can not have pictures of people on these lists - see relevant section on
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Wasn't his father Polish Jewish and his mother French Catholic? I guess she might've been Polish, too, I'm not sure. In any case, he should be on this list because of his French birth, anyway.
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The Cadillac automobile was named after the 17th century French explorer Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac, founder of Detroit, Michigan in 1701."
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Now it seemed to merged with another page - what happened with the talk? without it - it looks like I was just slashing and burning elements of the article! --
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the father under the law, though. It's pretty complicated...but anyone born in the U.S. is an American citizen, though you may also get joint-citizenship.
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However, I might have been hasty in removing Blanco. The source does explicitly call her "French", aside from calling her a "Cajun". I will restore her.
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While Pettit could be of french origins - Pettit has also been an english surname since the 11th century. So... evidence of being a french-american?
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He holds American citizenship, having been born in the U.S. He does not need to have held French citizenship to be a French American, though.
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The next one on that list is Despot - which google tells me come from serbia. How are we coming up with french connections for those people?
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Done! The people on the site are now on the list with sources that actually call them French Americans. Thank you.
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