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Nations residential school" or "residential school for First Nations children" is a more correct title. Lillooet Secondary and other schools had dormitories, residences, that is, for kids from rural areas, this include the FN kids who attended it; but that doesn't make it a residential school any more than it does Lytton Secondary for absorbing the St. George's kids, or Mission the St. Mary's. And I'm sorry I can't reference this with any resources available to me here in Nova Scotia; likewise the Owl Creek and Skookumchuck and Shalalth missions. But in the case of this one, it's entirely inapprorpriate, unless all convent and other schools of any kind
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