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Corporation of Cochin is the local government responsible for certain areas of the city; but, the city of Kochi/Cochin is much greater than that area. And these areas which do not fall under the corporation is still part of what is called 'Greater Kochi', and the Greater Kochi Development Authority is responsible for the development and upkeep of all these areas. All corporations and municipalities that belong to the city comes under the jurisdiction of such authorities. For example, BBMP in Bangalore, MMP in Mumbai, or HMDA in Hyderabad. Interestingly, Hyderabad is spread across different administrative districts, and yet has the same city authority. Other articles with such lists use the metropolitan area population - what is called a 'city'. For eg.
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578:, your claim about the 'urban' nature of Kerala is quite debatable, and as a social scientist, I would take up the debate. However, since Knowledge is not the place for arguments to be made, nor for taking a view, I would think that we go by what is generally meant when we talk of a 'city'. Kerala has some cities that are quite like a 'city' in that sense. Kochi, Thiruvanathapuram, Thrissur, Kollam, and Kozhikode are all typical cities, with sharp urban-rural divides. Of course, these are only the cities that I've visited - I'm sure there are others. The question of relevance does not arise, and I believe accuracy should be preserved over relevance. To call municipal areas 'cities' are highly misleading, and untrue.
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because nobody can count the births-deaths happening in a city all the day and make changes in the website every day accordingly. So it's clear that none of the info available about the city population is 100% accurate. After the last Census, 2 major changes happened in Kerala cities. So I'm talking and adding info based on these facts. I have used
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Two, and more importantly I think (and the only reason I'm getting involved in this), is that the website you source - census2011.co.in - for all the data that you claim to be 'facts', is a non-official website, with no references, no methodology listed, and one which takes no responsibility for the
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I'm not sure you get my point about the concept of a city. But let that be, I'll be happy if the sources are authentic. You have mentioned websites above, and I have given my reasons to why the official census data is more authentic than lists displayed by local bodies. In any case, the sources you
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Corporations. Each time after the election, they make changes in that. 'Believing it or not' is up to the visitors. It's not 100% accurate
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most accurate info about Kerala compared to 6 years old census data. Post census, a corporation has been formed and several panchayats have been merged in Kerala. So I believe, the websites from LSGD Kerala is more accurate than this old census data.
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