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You continue to vandalise this article instead of helping add to it which the chance has been offered to you before and your spurned down the chance in favour of violating wikipedia rules despite several warnings. Make suggestions here and on the list of indian inventions page before making changes.
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THis article is being repeatedly attacked and vandalised by wikireader, He has been offered the chance to help contribute towards the content of the article instead he is going around removing large sections of the article without working towards a concensus with other editors. Best if an admin gets
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Before this page has been vandalised by removing content the article clearly states that the inventions took place by
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I see someone again removed the IVC items without consultation, The IVC items that were made in
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Yes, you did call three of them "reinventions". Unfortunately this is not a list of reinventions, but of inventions, and no amount of notability will change that (as an aside, all three references for the
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do noot add controversial info against what is being said above. Pay attention to what Huon says and also Fowler&fowlers comments which I have linked. You are the only one who thinks
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OK, I have intervened by protecting the page since you both seem to be unable to resolve the dispute through the talk page. I'm not going to try to get involved with one side or the other and will instead remain a neutral party. Instead, I strongly advise that you request a
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From my point of view, both of you show equal amounts of personal nationalistic motives, and technically probably neither of your edits are vandalism. Could we agree to call it a content dispute and try to resolve it instead of degenerating into reciprocal
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From my point of view, both of you show equal amounts of personal nationalistic motives, and technically probably neither of your edits are vandalism. Could we agree to call it a content dispute and try to resolve it instead of degenerating into reciprocal
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if we are to include Mughal inventors active in Lahore and exclude their contemporaries active in Delhi. Before we discuss whether the IVC belongs on this list, I'd suggest revising the list's inclusion criteria so they make a little more sense.
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I have argued above that the intended scope of this article is a bad idea because imposing the current borders on the pre-1947 region is not helpful in any way. Could you please address this concern? Huon (talk) 22:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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I am from Pakistan and I have some additions for the list, particularly to Commputing. I want to add accomplishment by Arfa Karim Randhawa and Babar Iqbal. The youngest Microsoft Certified Professionals in World at the time of writing.
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pakistan did not exist prior to 1947 as a country and prior to 1933 as a word. as such I have deleted stuff prior to 1947. please discuss here before putting anything prior to 1947 on this page. Plase also refer to this post by user
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The number of inventions and discovers made in Pakistan is very extensive and there is alot of other innovations that are too be added. I would appreciate any help that you are willing to extend to help make this article one of
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THe section has been renamed Indus Valley civilization, PLease see warning on your page for repeated vandalism, If it continues it may result in a ban. You have been given the chance to help make the article but instead you
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When I first saw this POF listed here, I got the incorrect impression that this was a Pakistani idea. In fact, the POF Eye is very closely modeled after earlier inventions, and if it was displayed side-by-side with the
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That was not a simple re-inclusion, I actually mentioned such being the case (you reverted without reading that). But the reason they should still be included in the article is that they are widely notable in Pakistan.
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I have argued above that the intended scope of this article is a bad idea because imposing the current borders on the pre-1947 region is not helpful in any way. Could you please address this concern?
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IVC items and the IVC inventions which took place within the territory of what is now Pakistan being removed. All IVC inventions should go in the IVC article not just the ones invented in Pakistan,
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