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95: 1429: 1032:. Starting with a reasonably chronological list of more-or-less annual events, you need to calibrate it from as many firm dates as you can. Also, while it's a firm rule now that Sheriffs serve for only one year, in the Middle Ages, in the English counties, that wasn't so firm as it is now. I don't know how far back we have to go to find a Sheriff of London who served for more than one year. If that had happened only once in a century, it would have created confusion in those compiling lists only a few generations later. I suspect there may be someone in or around the 85: 64: 845:) Richard came to the throne on 22 June 1377 So the first year of his reign was from 22 June 1377 to 21 June 1388 so we add 16 to 1377 = 1393. Which is the same year as is derived in the heading of the footnote in the secondary source that footnotes the primary source. So assuming that Dick took up office in that year then he was a sheriff in the year 1393-1394. The sources listed above contain the following: 1180: 1128: 1352: 1252: 1202: 33: 1322: 1298:
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so their equivalent term of service should correspond to the present Year of Grace 2017. That would mean that somewhere in the past 500 years two Sheriffs have been missed out altogether (indecorous), or else they have been squashed together with two other Sheriffs into one place (unseemly). In
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So it looks as if Stow (1603), Allen (1828) (and Tudor that seems to be a copy of Allen with notes from Stow) match on year, Wittington and with the primary source, but do not match on the other Sheriff. Allen (1828) also agrees with the primary source on the name of the second sheriff Drewe
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I am still working on transcribing a couple of the sources into easily read formats. However one line of attack is to look at well known sheriffs and Lord Mayors who have articles on Knowledge (XXG) and check for additional sources for those. The first one that sprung to mind was
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either case it means that half of the entire list is out of step with the other half (assuming that this mistake only occurs once), and if so, this needs sorting out as it would be a serious source of historical confusion. Is there a different explanation?
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The list is missing the latest two Sheriffs, details below. Note, unusually this year there are two sharing. Links to the City of London website below and if you contact them they can also verify/ assist if you need help:
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Then A and D agree and B C agree but none of them agree with the Knowledge (XXG) dating current list. It needs more analysis because from about 1410 (the start of the reign of Edward IV the results are:
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Memorials of London and London life, in the XIIIth, XIVth, and XVth centuries. Being a series of extracts, local, social, and political, from the early archives of the City of London, A.D. 1276-1419
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If we can find another couple of notable men like Dick Whittington where biographers will have looked at the primary sources and if they agree with Allen, I think we can put this one to bed. --
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Also pondering on the year question a bit more. If the Noorthouck (1773) and Lambert (1806) are using the formula "Sheriff at the start of the year" (NS or OS) then they too agree with Allen.
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who has tried to sort out reliable dates for all of the (Lord) Mayors and Sheriffs of London, so far as it can be done. It may be worth asking them.
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Sheriffs of the City of London in a socially distanced meeting of Common Hall at London’s Guildhall today.The p... news.cityoflondon.gov.uk
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It won't be a Gregory/Julian issue, but I wonder if there is confusion between the year of election and the year of service.
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Corbets complet collection of state trials (From the Thirty-fourth to the Thirty-sixth year of the reign of King Charles II)
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If I could add a few thoughts, my experience is that the regnal years were more often confused in the Middle Ages than the
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I have not yet looked through it in detail but it seems to match A and D which is strange because it is cited by B.
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https://farmerslivery.org.uk/news-events/events/lord-mayor-william-russell-to-serve-an-additional-year-in-office
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William Gregory's Chronicle of London, in The Historical Collections of a Citizen of London in the 15th Century
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has 'Yeo' which seems more plausible than the 'Goo' here previously. (Any relation to the more modern MPs?)
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confirms that this has been the custom from time immemorial, so it is not a start of the Julian year issue.
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template. As TechnoSquirrel69 pointed out, backlinks can be added if/when the new article is created. --
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the said Mayor chose Richard Whytyndone, Alderman...to be Sheriff...of London for the ensuing year.
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Sheriffs from 2020 - 2021 Professor Michael Raymond Mainelli, Christopher Michael Hayward ref
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Data extracted and placed in sub-page so that it can be easily read (there are some OCR errors)
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Here are some HTML sources that contain lists of Sheriffs of London. WARNING they are different
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has 'John Hawes Sheriff 1500-1'; here have Johan Hawys Sheriff 1501-2. Can someone clarify?
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Sources currently in the article. The first is cited the second is in external links.
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Somewhere between the 16th century and the present time I think a year has got lost.
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Riley, Henry Thomas, ed. (1868). "Election of Richard Whityngton to the Shrievalty".
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Howell, Thomas Bayly; Howell, Thomas Jones; Cobbett, William; Jardine, David (1811).
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Sheriffs from 2021 - 2022 Alderman Alison Gowman and Alderman Nicholas Lyons ref
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Noorthouck, John (1773). "Addenda: The Mayors and Sheriffs of London (to 1773)".
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Noorthouck, John (1773). "Addenda: The Mayors and Sheriffs of London (to 1773)".
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Those omitted would appear to be Humphrey Edwin and Samual Thompson in 1688
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I wondered if it could be a dating issue along the lines of start of year (
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My Lord Mayor - 800 Years of London's Mayoralty (© Corp of London 1989)
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I've been requested to create a biography page for former sheriff
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The history and survey of London and its environs (IV Volumes)
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If we take a year 1273-4 that is in all four sources:
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