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Sheriffs will work to promote City’s post-pandemic recovery Two City of London Corporation Members have been elected to serve in a historic role dating back to the Middle Ages – and pledged to work to help the Square Mile’s post-pandemic recovery.Alison Gowman and Nicholas Lyons were elected as
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Sheriffs have been missed out altogether (indecorous), or else they have been squashed together with two other Sheriffs into one place (unseemly). In
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Sheriff. Allen (1828) also agrees with the primary source on the name of the second sheriff Drewe
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Knowledge (XXG) and check for additional sources for those. The first one that sprung to mind was
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