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If your source doesn't explicitly state the fact you're claiming, you're misusing the source. In other words, if the key to a map, or a map label doesn't give the information you seek, it's not on the map. Google Maps doesn't label roadways as a freeway or an expressway, so you can't use Google Maps
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Well, first of all, the list for at-grade expressways was short to begin with. California has lots of at-grade expressways. Michigan has lots of them too but more need to be mentioned as examples. Expressways and freeways don't always have names that denote them as such. So "eyeballing" it is
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The stretches in question on M-66, M-52, US-31, and US-223 are surface roads (they have some grade intersections, but some old intersections with minor roads have been closed) with access denied to abutting properties. They are
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I have been on all four of the stretches in question and have noticed fences along the highways with the warning "LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY access denied to abutting property except at intersections and interchanges"
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