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My thought was that, if it shows up in mythology, it should go under List of
Mythical Objects, or under its own article. If it's fictional, as in, it only shows up in a book/movie/tv show/video game, it goes under fictional. If its something like Arthur's sword that shows up in folklore and in video
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There are clearly third party sources that discuss and analyse fictional items. We can discuss with the community and decide whether "multiple" sources are necessary for each entry, but the point is that merely using the original novel, movie or whatever and saying: SEE!!! LOOKIE!!! LOOKIE!!! THERE
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Fictional swords used in iconography I think should probably be remainedered to the sword's own article. Using it as a categorization just seems a tad backwards. The content doesn't currently exist anyway. Moreover, most of the time, I'm under the impression that symbols containing a sword do so
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As far as organization by archetype, I can see where your brainstorm is going, but to me, that just sounds like fodder for petty argument and potential for original research. I generally prefer categorizations of that type to be done by a source first, and that replicated and expanded upon here.
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Wikipedians *love* listcruft (even though we're terribly lazy at filling in the lists once we've listed our favorite 5; viz, I'm opposed to the existence of the list and I found several items that should have been on it). Lists are easy and fun to make.
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Dear editors--can we please keep the style consistent? I propose swords in ordinary font, no bold, no italics, no quotation marks. The article's layout is already confusing enough, with authors, titles, etc., and no one needs to emphasize that this is about those swords--cause it is about those
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I like that this article exists, as it is the type of article I can imagine myself finding useful, one day, and I'm sure there are others with similar feelings. But I think it needs to be clearer about its scope. If, for example, it going to include
Arthurian swords, why not the sword used by
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Is merely being listed in some other list of magic pigstickers sufficient "coverage" to include a fictional sword here? How many lines does it require in the
Tolkien encyclopedia before we can list it here? How can you get details on a fictional object, apart from what came out of the author's
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articles from the begining of the AFD. Those articles would be far more informative, easy to write, and easy to maintain. Symbolic swords is an intriguing idea, but I think it's outside this scope, as you say many swords that hold symbolic meaning are
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deadline-addled brain? And shouldn't we have more than one source to verify the notability of each of these pointy things? "List of X in fiction" is pointless for all X. It either becomes a (meta-)concordance, or fills up with anime cruft. --
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Lightsabers are not swords, people (therefore I removed them). They're literally just laser sticks that are used like swords- because George Lucas needed something more high tech for his futuristic high tech space battle movie.
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