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practice β this just adds confusion. The article already identifies in the title that all of these are national flags, so it's redundant to list that nearly all of them are national flags, but then confusing to suggest that some aren't national flags but are state flags instead. This general list should avoid this jargon that doesn't have in-line context of flag versions and usages and that takes up table space.
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How many revisions and modifications can a flag go through before it can be considered the "same flag"? Many flags throughout the world trace their roots to some ancestral flag, however there is no definitive way to know if it is indeed the same flag. It's a classic Ship of
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Thanks, I think if there are any usage notes that are important, they can go in the description section. For symbolism, important symbolism can selectively be incuded in the description as well, but it's not universal or significant enough to have its own column. A lot of flags' colors are based on
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I know that this list will inevitably draw others to edit it, however disharmony may also arise due to conflicting definitions for inclusion within the various columns. Therefore, I am going to provide a brief description of what exactly ought to be included in each column of the list. Of course,
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While I am familiar with vexillogy, that is a bad assumption. Whether a flag is used on ships is not a detail that needs to be included. Without specification of what the differences between civil and state flags are for particular countries β and to what extent those differences are observed in
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Instead of writing a whole style guide, I believe it would be far more useful if people were merely able to read some answers to questions they may have. I'm going to try and provide an explanation to the massive reforms I have undertaken. You are free to reply with further questions.
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It's important to be concise, and it's perfectly standard and appropriate not to have all the inclusion criteria in the title. It would still be fine to then say in the body that the list is for sovereign states, regardless of who uses the term "national".
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