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arrived in my mailbox. Technically, the address they gave for me in the paper was wrong, it would have been an SEC violation for it to be my correct address. One of the coauthors (Jack
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for example on a brief introduction to the matter and an argument for full municipial personhood. Due to the fact that Moscow is a person under current legal frameworks at least in certain circumstances and can be confirmed as a second-degree collaborator to Erdos via Conway both directly and through
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I'm relatively new to
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Knowledge articles about mathematicians used to have Erdős number categories. After a deletion discussion got rid of them, I created this list to replace them. There already exist resources to find out the Erdős number of non-notable people. This list has always been a resource for finding
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This is, like, a mildly amusing riff on the Conway / Paterson joke, stripped of context in such a way to leave it obscure and unfunny. Next time you tell the story to your math friends, you can end with the coda that you tried to add Moscow to this page and some sourpuss
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reverted my edit. My reading of SELF is that we don't say the articles are on
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Now that is Jean-Pierre
Eckmann and David Ruelle citing me. Not one of my publications, but one of my results. And it is a published result, because they published it. So does that mean David Ruelle has a Mullhaupt number of 1? I would say so. You know, David Ruelle was made a member of the French
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Knowledge (the sentence stating that this list only lists people with Knowledge articles); it just makes that sentence more difficult to understand. It was not an improvement. Are you arguing that, in a list restricted to entries that have Knowledge articles, we cannot tell the readers that the
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Knowledge articles. Not saying so would be a disservice to the reader. If that were omitted and the text were copied elsewhere, then the other copy would be a puzzling partial list. Self-reference is probably best to avoid most of the
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And authorship is a strange way to mark collaboration. The paper that my Erdos number depends on is a result I proved for two colleagues who published it, adding me as a coauthor (without knowing how to get in touch with me for reasons I don't know). So I found out about the paper when reprints
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MathSciNet will confirm my Erdos number is two. But the
Knowledge page for me could include several other facts beyond that. For example just recently I was credited by the CEO of one of the most successful quant funds in history as having "taught them investment". You can verify that in the
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The consensus not to include those people has been in place far longer than the page notice: it was proposed in 2010, implemented in 2012, and maintained that way since then. Your self-serving reverse proposal is completely impractical. There already exists the Erdos Number Project
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My most cited result, strangely enough, is not published by me, and is cited by people who have not read it, and it is in the opposite direction of the result they think they are citing. You will be able to check all of those statements by reading this announcement in Rev. Mod.
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There is a page notice that says not to include people who do not have a wikipedia entry. I propose that this rule is *backwards*; add people who do not have wikipedia pages, and use the redlinks as an index of people who perhaps *should* have a wikipedia page.
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the MAA, and whereas Knowledge prides itself as being an impartial and correct source of information, I believe the reversion was in error. I would like to find confirmation that there isn't something I'm overlooking here before going back in and editing again.
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to list people with EN=1 or EN=2, currently listing 13113 people with EN=2, more than we can reasonably list here. The number of people with EN=3 is I would assume significantly larger than that. Incidentally, although you should of course
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articles. Back when we allowed redlinks to proliferate, the hope was that people would write the articles. Empirically, we know that doesn't work. New articles do get written, but clearly redlinks on this list won't help it happen.
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Well enough fun. I don't need a Knowledge page. (Or an Erdos number, either). The reason I support Knowledge is because important results usually have Knowledge pages. I am not a result. As long as the results are there. I'm good.
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The last question is whether Moscow can be considered a person. While I am not an expert on Russian law, note that in American law there is precedent for municipial personhood in at least a limited fashion. See
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and I would think he should have a Knowledge page along with his Erdos number. And as a student of Roger Entringer, Jack knew Paul Erdos a lot better than many of the people on these Erdos number lists.
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