Talk:List of state leaders in 2015/Archive 3

206:, because the rarely used work ”viceroy” is a gendered term, since it has a female counterpart (vicereine). And using a male term to women can be seen as sexist, therefore insufficiently gender-neutral. (Just ask yourself if the opposite would be okay, i.e. to use vicereine to male office holders.) And Monarch's representative fits more consistently into the List of state leaders articles, because the description used for the Cook Islands' head of state is "monarch". And "Queen's representative" is only applicable in case of female monarchs. 6309:

Commonwealth realms, she cedes almost all of them to the Governor-General to exercise on a day to day basis (therefore they are permanently deputizing for her). Lieutenant-Governor would not be an appropriate description for the Cook Islands official because 1) it is an existing title, while the person in question has a different title, and 2) the Queen's representative in the Cook Islands is not the deputy of the Governor-General of New Zealand, but instead the direct representative of the Queen.

1403:) gender-nuanced and hence neutral and balanced to a sufficient extent. ZBukov is already purposely dismissive against any of my arguments in a semi-automatic mode anyway, his responses do not surprise me. I wholly reject and repudiate any suggestions that my arguments are either "repititions", "redundant" or "contrary"—these are all partisan and biased assertions and thus far inadequately confuted. The case for "consistency" is also distorted & NPOV has never been more relevant, e.g. why 5237:, the 'monarch's representative' version is the superior one. (Why does Neve insist the titles 'Governor-General' and now (all of a sudden!) 'Queen's Representative' need to be present twice? I probably shouldn't ask...) Then there's the added bonus of 'monarch's representative' being absolutely, unquestionably gender-neutral, which means it'll make things easier in the long run. Arguments against 'monarch's representative' are exceedingly weak. -- 810:

inconsistency and eliminate the needless repetition of descriptor and title (Governor-General: Fred Fredson, Governor-General of Samosa) currently seen in the list. It also raises the question of whether or not the representative of a Co-Prince of Andorra can be considered a viceroy. Is a regent also a viceroy? Some have argued that governors-general should not be considered viceroys. Using 'monarch's representative' will sidestep that unknown. --

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be applied consistently to all those who are in scope. I simply see no reason whatsoever to apply a generic term to only one member of a group, and not to all of them. Neve's repetitions are indeed tiresomely redundant (and apocalyptic) and contrary to the editor's fears using a proper description is definitely not a slippery slope into endless confusion. I have read his objections many times during the past months, and I find the unfounded.

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need saying: 'governor-general' is an office and an accordant title; so is 'lieutenant-governor'. Using them as descriptors for offices like Queen's Representative, representative of a Co-Prince of Andorra, and regents will only therefore cause confusion. It'd also be a presumptuous assertion on the part of Knowledge to describe any of those positions as governors-general or lieutenant-governors when no reliable source anywhere does so.

5128: 5029: 4930: 4752: 4438: 1710:, than we might as well stop discussing it here, and then I need not bother anyone here by explaining why I infer that it is illogical. Neve, you are perfectly well aware that both Miesianiacal and myself are strongly and consistently of the opinion that "viceroy" is not gender-neutral enough. Repeating it another twenty times will not change that, so you could save some space here. 6785: 5930:- after having listened to the original proponent argue, threaten and plead for "viceroy" for a month, only to suddenly realize two days ago that he has no problem with the status quo after all, I don't feel we are in a rush to close this RfC. And I cannot help but notice that the support Neve-selbert attributed above to "Queen's representative" was somewhat exaggerated. 2441:

referred to most often. However the office itself of the head of state of the UK ("and of Her other Realms and Territories") is not limited to one gender, that's why a gender-neutral term ("monarch") is used before her name (which is duly followed by her proper title). And this is what we are trying to apply to the Cook Islands (where the official title is

4410:. To me, Queen's Representative seems to be the choice. It's represented by fact, and should the queen die this year, one could say King/Queen's Representative. Clunky? Yes. Correct? Yes. Somewhat unlikely she dies this year? Yes. In 2015 Marsters was the Queen's Representative, not Viceroy or Monarch's representative. People will have to mess with the 646:? Another nonsense, it absolutely vital and necessary to group different representatives together, e.g. X number of governors-general, an X number of regents, etc. It is useful to know how many different offices of governors-general there were in 1966 compared to 2016—we would be completely blind to this information if we changed all the descriptors. 1516: 2357: 5371:, to the executive power of the Commonwealth, Chapter II provides for the appointment, number and salaries of Ministers (sections 64 to 66). Section 68 vests command of Australia's naval and military forces in the Governor-General and section 69 provides for certain State departments to be transferred to the Commonwealth." 5595:

Accordingly, labeling him as "Monarch's Representative" is misleading. He does more than that. It is like saying that the Prime Minister is a member of parliament. Yes, true, but that's not telling the whole truth. I think we should keep the office-bearers' titles intact, rather than giving them a problematic label. --

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often in Google Books because, until the late 20th century, every representative of a monarch (save for a few regents, if one even wants to consider them viceroys) has been a man. Even through the late 20th and early 21st centuries, most governors-general (if one wants to consider them viceroys) are men. --

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Looking at the convoluted discussions above, there's NO consensus. Using the bizarre situation of the Cook Islands - is it a nation? is it a Realm?, is it a territory? - as a guide for every other nation is ridiculous. Just use the titles the officials already have. Commonwealth Governors-General are

5580:+ I do not see that Pete's remark about g-gs in Australia relates to the question put, one way or the other. Anyhow, governors-general are not considered to be heads of state by the present office-holders in any of the Commonwealth realms, or by their countries' heads of government (prime ministers). 4843:

Currently the description in front of Sir Jerry Mateparae's name says "Governor-General" instead of "Monarch's representative", and for Tom Marsters it's presently "Queen's representative" (which is neither consistent with the Queen's description of "monarch", nor gender-neutral, since the monarch is

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We have disagreed right from the beginning of this debate (or more correctly from the point where you first agreed to "monarch's representative" and then pulled out of the consensus). But make no mistake, your use of the above phrase ('agree to disagree') does not give you a carte blanche (or even my

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Individual titles can vary widely. The generic description gives the reader an idea of the kind of office the incumbent occupies. For example in the state leaders' lists the names of every emperor, king, queen, emir, grand duke, sovereign prince, sultan, etc are preceded by the description "monarch",

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to this discussion. We are looking specifically at descriptors and 'de facto head of state' has never been put forward as a suggestion; precisely because it's contentious. 'Monarch's representative' is not, because no one doubts governors, representatives of co-princes, and the Queen's Representative

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Firstly, it's the only term guaranteed to be gender neutral. 'Queen's representative' cannot be for obvious reasons. 'Viceroy' is too uncertain. Strictly, it is a male-gendered term; 'vicereine' is the female equivalent. It has apparently been used in mass media to denote a female representative of a

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I don't think it's misleading at all – after all, the word "Queen" is used in the constitution. When it's a King, we can change it to King (just like they'll have to change the constitution). Although I can see that some people are clearly heavily invested in getting this changed, I really don't see

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If we cannot settle on a solution, we can still leave the status quo intact, but there is no justification for deleting relevant and important information (e.g. every Governor-General). I also agree that if we make a change to the description of the Cook Islands official, than the description should

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Secondly, the question for the RfC has falsely presented the extent of this matter. It isn't just about the entry for the Cook Islands, as whatever's decided for the monarch's representative there will have to be applied to all monarchs' representatives throughout the list. That will avoid confusing

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I've made my points. Your rebuttal has no effect on them; 'president's representative' works perfectly fine and the rest, are, as I said, false comparisons. Others can read what I've written here, above, and below and draw their own conclusions. You clog up discussions with the kind of over-inflated

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I'm afraid you don't get to set limits on the extent of this matter and that train's already left, anyway; this has gone beyond the Cook Islands. The discussion above shows it to be so. The DRN discussion shows it to be so. There is no argument for inconsistency and there's no argument for redundant

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The particular rights and duties of a country's head of state is immaterial to this debate. The Queen is indeed head of state of all sixteen countries, because they opt to retain her as their monarch (Queen of Canada, Queen of New Zealand, Queen of Barbados, etc). And whatever rights she has in the

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Neve has admitted there are 6 people favouring 'monarch's representative'. Yet, rather than see that as a reason to concede and let 'monarch's representative' be implemented, it's a reason to shut this thousands of words- and days-long argument down and shelve it, under the false pretense that Neve

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Well, no wonder you are banging your head against a brick wall when you reached the point of conflating animals and humans in trying to apply the categories of sexism and political correctness to lions... The original debaters know your arguments only too well (as you cannot stop ranting about them

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Though the very aim of this debate is not finding the most popular phrase used for the royal representative in the Cook Islands, but to find a gender-neutral and generic description for the office. Simply judging by popularity, the description for Elizabeth II should be 'queen' as that's how she is

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How is it that more descriptors would have to be replaced if 'monarch's representative' were chosen versus 'viceroy'? All instances of 'governor-general', 'regent', 'co-prince's representative', and maybe others would have to be replaced, no matter what's chosen. Also, perhaps 'viceroy' shows up so

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In Australia, at least, the Governor-General's constitutional role is greater than representing the monarch. He derives his powers from the Constitution and exercises them without reference to the monarch. He is not a delegate nor an agent of the monarch and takes no instructions from the monarch.

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Er, no. The question mark--that squiggly line over a dot at the end of the sentence--that indicates that what I wrote is a question, not an observation. Typically, the person to whom I'm directing the question (hint: that's you) is expected to answer it. You did not. Perhaps because you mistook it

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Dear Thryduulf, please note that we are not debating about the official title of the royal representative in the Cook Islands. No-one wants to change that. If you take a look at the List of state leaders in 2015 article, you'll see that there is a description in front of people's names to indicate

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and strongly oppose Vicerory. That was what I meant in the previous discussions. I have disengaged from this discussion both for the sake of my own stress level, due to time constraints and to avoid bogging down the RfC with a replay of our above discussion. I trust the editors invited in can read

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I can't accept that either of these are serious proposals. If you don't know why using 'lieutenant-governor' or 'governor-general' as a descriptor for the office of Queen's Representative is unacceptable, you're in over your head here and should cease contributing to this discussion. It shouldn't

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The funny thing is that the problem he spotted and started the whole debate for, is real, since the descriptions should ideally be generic, consistent and neutral. And since Elizabeth II's description is already "monarch", the consistent solution would be describing her representative in the Cook

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I don't think that inter-article consistency is a major priority - is there any style guideline that calls for it? And you can't have this consistency if there's actually a revolution and the office gets replaced by the Chairman of the Committee of Public Safety or something. A revolution would

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My sense is this whole debate is predicated upon the unavoidable death of the Queen. When Charles accedes to the throne of New Zealand, the Queen's Representative in the Cook Islands will become King's Representative. There doesn't seem to be a mechanism for the list to deal with that. Hence, the

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I hate dealing with you directly, but, the question needs to be asked, at least for others to think about: If we don't consider the whole list now and 'viceroy' is chosen, how will there ever be consistency in the list unless 'viceroy' is imposed for all representatives of a monarch, whether it's

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Yes, I would believe you suggest changing this too. But yet, here we are, outside the safety net of The Queen and into the realm of another, different type of monarch. Sure, no problem, we can easily change this too. But then, this indicates a bias. Not only monarchs have representatives in their

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Whatever your personal opinion on arguments, you are not at liberty to state prima facie untruths (and it is especially unwise when anyone interested can check the facts for themselves by simply scrolling up on this page). Out of the four original debaters, upon consideration three of us clearly

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warn you not to entertain Pete's ill-conceived personal interpretations of the role of the Australian governor-general. This discussion has enough red herrings already and, trust me, if you engage Pete over this particular matter, it'll add thousands more words here pointlessly. Don't make eye

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For the last time, the "monarch's representative vs. de facto head of state" matter is a false dilemma. Whether a governor-general is a de jure head of state, defacto head of state, or neither is a debate that operates fully accepting a governor-general is the representative of the monarch. No

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You are purely dismissive of my arguments. Furthermore, my points were hardly a "kind of over-inflated diatribe", they were made clearly and thoroughly and are entirely legitimate concerns—albeit lengthy and thus collapsed. Your rhetoric evidently proves stupendous ignorance on this problem in

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solution would malfunction and hence result in catastrophe. We would have editors coming up and down from everywhere enquiring "Is this X person the representative of this X person?". And so on, and so on, and so forth. We would be unable to cope. This is a can of worms, there can be no doubt.

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In my opinion Monarch’s representative is the best. Queen’s representative reflects the current situation, when the monarch of United Kingdom is the Queen Elisabeth II. But in the future it seems will be a king. The term, I am sure, will be King’s representative. So for unify the terms, it is

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Does the lack of precedent for equal opportunities for women imply to you that gender-biased language is all right and should be continued? This is exactly the kind of oppressive, male chauvinist bias which gender-neutral language is fighting against. And defending an allegedly gender-neutral

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Yes, I realised that, but I see no reason not to use Queen's Representative here. I disagree with the assertion that this list uses "generic descriptions", otherwise why would it differentiate between the various names used for heads of governments in different countries (e.g. Prime Minister,

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The RfC was opened by Neve; let it run its course. When it's time to close the discussion, an impartial admin will have to be called in to do so (and, in the process, among other matters, decide whether or not someone who supported 'Queen's Representative' properly understood the issue under

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Please note that the question here is not about changing the official title as that is simply a matter of factual correctness. This discussion is about the description that precedes the names in the List of state leaders in XXXX articles, which differs from the title and instead is a generic

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They both plan on complicating this Rfc by using the red herring of the other royal representatives' descriptors as well as the one at the Cook Islands. This issue was never bought forth initially to discuss the descriptors of all of the representatives, just the one at the Cook Islands. We

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it did happen to apply elsewhere, we would inevitably over-complicate matters. We would be stuck in POV dilemma over which state leader is a representative and which one is not. It is not a matter of saying "well, if they are unofficial—who cares?": that is still a POV; we already display

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The whole debate is about what word or words should precede the name of Tom Marsters (and possibly other royal representatives). Besides Monarch's representative, the other suggestions were Viceroy, Lieutenant-Governor, Governor-General, and earlier Monarchical representative, Viceregal

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Being Queen doesn't mean she has a leadership position. For the United Kingdom, there is no dispute. For the rest, it varies. In Australia, she has no power over the government. She may reign, but she does not rule. Calling her the Australian leader is nonsensical, misleading at best.

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is mostly due to the misleading interpretation that the monarch represented is always going to be a Queen—thus inevitably creating issues once a King eventually accedes. Both alternatives now attempt to rectify this problem. In response to your question, e.g. the official title of the

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the kind of office they occupy (as their particular titles can vary widely), therefore that description is not (or not always) identical with their official title. For example the description for every emperor, king, queen, sultan, emir, grand duke, sovereign prince, etc is "monarch".

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on behalf of the monarch(s), instead of the other way round. This is a legitimate view—as in a sense, all state leaders are representatives of their countrymen. So, in that sense, we are referring to representatives of a representative. Again, it depends on how you look at it, hence

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a dilemma to be considered; after all, there is nothing remotely official with the term "Monarch's Representative" as it is a made-up and informal description. Some may indeed argue that those governors, representatives of co-princes, and the Queen's Representative rather represent

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far more than the monarch's representative. The Queen does not lead the governance of any of her Realms except for the United Kingdom, and even then in a very limited sense. Trying to pretend that she is the direct leader of large chunks of the Earth's surface is ridiculous. --

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Hard-a-starboard. This is beyond complicated. For consistency, if we are to connect another designation with another, merging them together, we will have to implement this everywhere. This includes representatives of the S-G. As of course, any reader or editor would be misled.

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Just your opinion, Mies. I've asked you repeatedly to find a source stating that representing the monarch is the totality of the Australian Governor-General's job, when various constitutional texts point out that he performs important government functions in his own right

4176:, but if the entire calendar year of 2015 had a Queen's representative representing a Queen, not a King, named in reliable sources from the constitution on down, then why on Earth do you need to come up with some description other than what it is? Count me mystified. 6272:

This arrangement is akin to those of Australia and Canada, where the Governor-General is the Sovereign's representative for the whole of the federation but each State or Province retains its own Governor or Lieutenant-Governor to represent the Queen in that State or

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The Australian Governor-General exercises important government functions because by law the head of state (the Queen) is assigned those functions, and the exercise of the vast majority of those are in turn delegated to the Governor-General. Please see the

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The outcome is determined by weighing the merits of the arguments and assessing if they are consistent with Knowledge policies. Counting "votes" is not an appropriate method of determining outcome, though a closer should not ignore numbers entirely. See

2925:? My goodness. Was that the best word you could up with?—stop complaining about my tone while simultaneously being bellicose vice versa, hence avoiding being a hypocritical parody of yourself. Spare what time? How much time do you have to spare? Anyhow, 5447:, as in ZBukov's proposed version above (19:03, 5 February). As there used, it is clearly a formulaic descriptor, it is accurate, and the same format and wording could be used in other cases, such as governors general. I concur with ZBukov's reasoning 3885:

One reason the majority of the original debaters supported "monarch's representative" was that the description used for Elizabeth II (and for all other sovereigns) is "monarch", therefore this wording would be consistent with the rest of the article.

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is quite frankly untenable, we need to properly describe this officeholder, and describing him simply as the Queen's Representative gives us a totally misleading perception that he will only represent a queen and never a king. Hence the problem.

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I thought "Vice-regal representative" was pretty standard in former British countries, in Australia that is how both the Governor-General and state Governors (all of whom have direct links to the Queen) are referred to. Hope that helps. Cheers,

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of arguments that stopped new and uninvolved editors participating without first reading the pages of dialogue between you all - note that I tried to make it easier by requesting that the "old and involved editors" stop posting when I created

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as a descriptive. This Rfc will be open for another 20+ days. Who knows? maybe a bunch of editors will show up supporting it. In the meantime, I hope we can all show restraint & concentrate less on each other & more on the dispute.

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The practice for indicating intra-year title change in List of state leaders in XXXX articles is to display the new title, and add a remark noting the previous title and the date of change. For example see the president of Honduras in the

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and are followed by their proper titles. And since the office of monarch is not limited to females it is felt that "Queen" is not generic enough for a description, as the monarch will be a male the very moment Elizabeth II passes away.

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article. Though I must add that since the decision on the Cook Islands official's title is laid down in their constitution, I would think that the decision to change it from Queen's representitive to King's is for them to make, not us.

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It's not flexibility, it's flip-floppery. It's unsurprising you, of all people, would confuse the two. Flexibility is being open to compromise. Flip-flopping is arguing one thing and then arguing the exact opposite. It's irritating and

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That view is merely your own opinion. I am not being rude or pejorative, if you take it as this I apologise—although I, like yourself, would like to make my views clearly concise on this matter in respect to reasonable reservation.

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It is indeed quite interesting that no-one has suggested it. And, if I may indeed follow your rhetoric: Zoltan, you are perfectly well aware that both GoodDay and myself are strongly and consistently of the opinion that "viceroy"

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Anyone trying to replace the descriptor 'monarch's representative' with 'de facto head of state' would be reverted for the same reason as any replacement of the present descriptor 'governor-general' with 'de facto head of state'.

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imply a change in the constitution, and from what I'm told above, so would the change from Queen's representative to King's representative. So I see no particular need to make this change, and strong WP:V/WP:OR type concerns to

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None here. Unless we get more editors come in, or someone comes up with something new, there seems to be no point in continuing. We've said what we want to say, we've responded to each other, we should get on with other work.

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Regardless, though that's a valid question that needs addressed, I maintain there should be a neutral and consistent descriptor for representatives throughout the list for a) consistency and b) avoiding pointless repetition.

3536:. Absolutely fail to see the problem here. Tom Marsters is the Queen's Representative. That's his official title. So why can't we describe him as the Queen's Representative? It's hard to imagine a more accurate description. 6269:

In form, the Cook Islands has two Queen's representatives — one (the Queen's Representative) for the Cook Islands as Cook Islands; the other (the Governor-General) for the Cook Islands as part of the Realm of New Zealand.

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suggestion ("viceroy") with acquiescence to inequality is an eyebrow-raising piece of logic that casts doubt over the very suggestion it is meant to support. (By the way a uniform, gender-neutral term – monarch – is used

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Oh, it's in a note. I just assume inline tags that look like the one next to Garcia's name are references, not footnotes, which usually (or should) use different inline tags. Anyway, I guess the question's been addressed.

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I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axles about that, viceroy isn't in common use in Australia. In fact, I have a bit to do with Government House where I live and I've never heard HE referred to as a viceroy. Cheers,

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simply would not do. Even you would not dispute this. So quickly, to avoid casualty, we change the designations of not only monarchs but of the other heads of state too, such as those under the French President with

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articles as possible. One day—not for a good long while yet, we hope—the Queen will no longer be reigning as ceremonial monarch of every one of these other countries, and we will be obliged to change the descriptor

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Mies wishes to replace every Commonwealth example in the table with "Queen's representative". Including Governors-General. Perhaps some clarification is in order?

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already redirects to the Viceroy article. Some women even personally prefer in a sense to be known by male equivalents of such words as it improves their feeling of an equal footing on par with men at occupations.

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for over a month now). They failed to convince us, so I don't think any further effort makes sense. I guess we could all spare the time of writing/reading about gender-neutral language being applied to lions.

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is non-offensive to most human beings—would you object if I went around town asking random women if they felt offended by it?—and your opposition to it remains utterly absurd, you are imitating some sort of a

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You see, this is where we heed my warnings of this iceberg. We cannot simply just change the designations of those under the British monarch, but also of the Dutch one too. Simple, job-done. We shall do this

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particular, overlooking any possible problems on the path to solution in an idealistic manner. You haven't even bothered to specify which points were false comparisons—"all of them" is practically equal to "

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published by the parliament: I draw your attention to the paragraph: "Chapter II of the Constitution, the Executive Government, is relatively short, consisting of only 10 provisions, including section 61.

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We would not be having this conversation if it were not for their constitutional situation. The issue of changing all of the royal representative designations instead of just that of CI is equal to a red

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any part of it they are interested in. That being said, the RfC obviously trumps any concensus or lack there of we reached so my position during the preliminary discussion really should not be an issue.

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Shall one laugh or cry? This is overwhelming hypocrisy at its height. Weren't you the one accusing me of "throwing a tantrum" and thus belittling me as a toddler beneath you? What a phony case in point.

5427:. This is acceptable, and no problem. The article relates to the present. At any time in the future this can be changed to "King's representative", if the event happens this year or in any future year. 2221:

If you move your cursor over the little index number right after 'Provisional President of Honduras' the remark will open in a window. I can't attach a screenshot here, sorry. :( This is the raw text:

2081:. Even if we choose a neutral descriptor, what happens with "Monarch's representative: Janice Stratosphere, Queen's Representative" once Charles becomes king and Janice becomes King's Representative? 3580:

as the representative of any government. And either might be "gender incorrect" for the monarch or the office-holder, or both. Frankly "Crown Representative" would seem to be gender neutral for

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the head of state. There are other examples of heads of state having very little (or no) executive functions, e.g. the Presidents of Ireland or India, or the Emperor of Japan. So for the Queen

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Okay, then I guess at this point we can declare the debate to be over, and in the absence of any agreement no change will be made to the existing description of the Cook Islands official.

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For this to succeed, however, the RFC must be closed in one of the other ways listed here since other dispute resolution forums and processes will not accept a case where a RfC is pending.

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part of the debate about finding a gender-neutral description for the Cook Islands official (which is turn naturally raises the question of the consistent application of the new phrase).

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Assuming the scope of this Rfc is expanded to all the entries. Having the governor-general of Australia described as the Head of state's representative or 'De facto' Head of state, may be

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They may be believe that this UN Special Representative represents his or herself on a freelance basis, without anyone to report too—unlike the representatives of the other heads of state.

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It is interesting to notice that the very editor who started the whole debate had a final change of heart and now fails to see any problem with the gender-neutrality of the description "

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The term "Crown Representative" has historically been used as a title of a Viceroy or Governor-General by the UK, Spain and other nations, and is descriptive of his or her actual status.

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The number of tasks and duties assigned to a head of state is up to each country to decide. Yet it does not override the fact that whoever the constitution designated as head of state,

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actual title. Arguments against are unpersuasive—in case you weren't already aware, Knowledge is freely editable by anyone, so the title can be easily changed once Elizabeth passes on.

3755:. And AFAIK, the representative in the Cook Islands has never been specifically referred to as the Crown Representative. I may be wrong—although nothing comes up in Google for that. 3702:

The Governor-General, as representative of the Crown, is the chief executive and his ... As the Crown's representative he reports to the Secretary of State for the Colonies in London

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And why on earth are we using the Cook Islands as a model? It has a peculiar and individual status. Not a colony, not a territory, not a Realm, not a nation. A bit of everything. --

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Well -- for a start, "viceroy" is not a term in much current usage at all, in any nation. Other than as a brand-name for cigarettes, that is, or some hotels or a butterfly. M-W:

2471:" could stump the average, sane and rational human being? There has never been a female Queen's Representative anyway, so who would honestly take offense at this alleged vulgarity? 2537:? This kind of arrogance is nothing new from you, but it is still firmly outside the boundaries of civilized debate. Please either improve your standards or leave the discussion. 1420:

should only apply to the Cook Islands as this is where any generic term referring to a representative other than their official title would cause the least offence and controversy.

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Well, if you are even trying to deny details of the above discussion, than we really have nothing to talk about. And as you already stated days ago, the debate is already over.

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You know, I was thinking the exact same question—perhaps we should personally invite individual editors with relative experience in the related WikiProject(s) to the discussion.

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the discussion. You and the original page editors have had ample discussion above, now step away from the near-dead horse and let the rest of us form a consensus. Cheers,

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Offends no one. "Vicereine" generally refers to the wife of a viceroy, and "viceroy" or its equivalents is quite dated as well, as it referred to a person with power to

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as a gender-neutral title, this has already been proven time and time again. And since there is unlikely to ever be a female QR in the CI, this strengthens the case for

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let me remind you of your above admission that you failed to find a single example of "Governess" as an official title being used for female governors (that is no say

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close this RfC since it has now been requested for withdrawal by both nominator and "behestor of nomination" - note that RfCs don't need Admins to formally close them.

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I have boldfaced two significant words above. You are welcome to make your own investigations as to where the various powers of the Governor-General are drawn from. --

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It pertains to all representatives of a monarch (and maybe representatives of presidents, too). Perhaps you should've read through all the prior discussion first. --

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for the Cook Islands officer. If and when the Queen is replaced by a King, we can await the gazettal of new titles, so that we have information sourced properly. --

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monarch, but, that doesn't make the use accurate. I don't think it's up to Knowledge editors to decide it is rightly applicable to female monarch's representatives.

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indicate to use “Monarch’s representative” The term of Viceroy represent a different dignity and my opinion it is not indicate to be used in case of Cook Island.

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I am quite ascertain on finding other editors that are reasonably less obstinate, and I am confident that there will be many of those who are fairly receptive.

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Indeed. Had the support for 'viceroy' gone the other way, I strongly suspect we'd be hearing a different story from all those now wishing to shut this down. --

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would involve the least change (only around 35–40 articles would need changing for the latter option compared to 100+ if we were to opt for the former). Also,

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It's up to the community as how to show Elizabeth II, not me. But anyways, that's a Knowledge-wide discussion to be had. Let's get back to the Rfc, shall we?

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You can be certain other editors will see how you need to resort to false comparisons, red herrings, and, the classic refuge of the weak arguer, rudeness. --

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Indeed Skyring. Across many Knowledge articles, Elizabeth II's role beyond the United Kingdom, has been promoted to the extreme. IMHO, it's a breach of

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search for a gender-neutral descriptor. I hadn't considered until now, though, that there isn't presently a way for the list to deal with the change in

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I don't see a title change for the President of Honduras in 1980. Nonetheless, if there's a way to deal with changes in title, then, all the better. --

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Well, if you have no idea how or why something would be sexist, than maybe you should not make suggestions on choosing a gender-neutral phrase... :D

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I've no problems dealing with you directly & never did. I'm content to agree with what the rest of you decide, concerning the scope of this Rfc.

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There are very few cases where the Crown's representative (the governor- general or the governor) has acted against the advice of elected ministers

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untruths? If you at least have the courtesy, spare the feckless legal jargon—there is zero hardcore evidence for that. Furthermore, I have asked

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in the sense of a woman caring for children). Discussion does indeed seem rather futile when you are happily ignoring even your own statements.

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has fallen on deaf ears, apparently. You're free to contact other WikiProjects and/or individuals. Be sure your requests are neutrally worded.

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Your point doesn't stand. You just uttered it and acted as though it's god-given truth not requiring any supporting sourced and sound argument.

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I would rather that this Rfc focuses on the Cook Islands. There's little that's going to be accomplished overall, until we get outsider input.

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Then, it's "I've never had a problem dealing with you" except "when you push your (as I call well-sourced facts I don't like) POV". Got it. --

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And Australia in particular had an unprecedentedly salient example of the practical consequences of royal power, when the Prime Minister was

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one—monarchist, republican, or neutral—has argued a governor-general does not represent the monarch and, if someone has, their opinion is so

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We seem to be pretty confident with this outcome—it makes sense, it is an easy answer solving a quick problem with hardly any serious qualms.

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Ignoring a possible fourth option is quite futile, and your refusal to acknowledge such a COI equals your own biased stench to high heaven.

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You see, now we are in the situation of changing the designations of the representatives of not only monarchs, but also presidents as well.

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as a viceroy in the headline is certainly worth taking notice of. We are not disputing his title. A similar situation can be ascribed to

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This discussion is due to be expecting some new, veteran arrivals in the coming days. People are tiring of hearing the same old voices.

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FWIW, I was looking for advice on whether or not to request closure of this Rfc. I think we can do without bashing any participants :)

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The Rfc's question concerns the Cook Islands & therefore the Cook Islands should be soley susceptable to any potential changes.

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This matter can only involve the Cook Islands; nobody has booked any tickets on any train—this is purely your personal opinon. An

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to be the head of state of Australia would require Australia to change her constitution to that effect (i.e. declare a republic).

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to representing the Queen. You have never been able to find one, other than your own personal interpretation of a primary source.

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and it does not look too shabby or clunky at all. It looks fine and concise and I am confident that it will be apt in future.

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The Queen used her Christmas Day broadcast to make one of her most overtly religious addresses to the nation in recent years.

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Perhaps it's something, that'll be settled here, if/when we get input from outsiders. Just the four of us, won't be able to.

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False comparisons? That is a delusional assertion, on your part. See above, there is clear potential for complete confusion.

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No, I did not miss that. Please may I remind you that we are looking for a distinct descriptor, and the fact that the QR is

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must be respected & that means we must always reflect the 'vast' majority of sources. The vast majority of sources say

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Thanks, Zoltan. Could you please quote the words in the Australian Constitution that say "The Queen is the Head of State"?

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Once again 'monarch's representative' is the one entirely gender-neutral descriptor that can apply to all without being

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Okay, okey-dokey then. Although, how many users are required to form a consensus? Is there a minimum or maximum number?

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remind you that you failed to find a single example of "Vicereine" as an official title being used for female viceroys.

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head of state and—regardless of their representative status—I understand that this assessment may not please everyone.

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I need clarification here. As I understand it, this Rfc concerns only the Cook Islands. Has this suddenly changed to

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Each ruler dealt with the Crown Representative, the Viceroy, who was the highest representative of the British Crown

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As long as sovereign countries legally declare her to be their Queen, you can't really do much about it, can you.

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remains the only in-depth examination, but other views have been published and are more freely available. Here's a

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the prime minister, or premier in the case of a province, who communicates privately to the Crown's representative.

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See above. There's no confusion about who's a representative and who isn't. Your examples are false comparisons. --

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description to be applied to the Cook Islands, and the Cook Islands only. How exactly would that be unacceptable?

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since it will be equally applicable in the case of female and male monarchs yet it isn't excessively cumbersome. —

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seems to be the only option that is supported, at the present time, by reliable sources so everything else fails

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Note #1: Although the two analogies are not entirely similar, they both prove a fundamental error in human logic.

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just didn't consider 'Queen' representative' properly in terms of its gender-neutrality? I don't think so. --

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Were you under the impression you'd disproven the Webster Dictionary definition of 'vicereine' that I quoted?

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No successful attempt can be made to define exactly the rights of the Crown's Representative to intervene

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to something else. So at the end of the day and to prevent leaving this future problem scenario at bay,

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for further comment. And (as it stands now) there is no clear majority and you are falsely resorting to

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New Cook Islands cabinet ministers Tangata Vavia and Ngamau Munokoa have been sworn into cabinet by the

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Title changed from President of the Military Government Junta to Provisional President on 25 July 1980.

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and choose a gender-nuanced alternative. Similar to how individual kings and queens use the descriptor

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You're free to draw your own conclusions. Meanwhile, I'll respect whatever the result is of this Rfc.

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Out of curiosity, could you please specify as to how the term is "artificial" and "creates problems"?

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not necessarily female). So the description should be improved as seen above. That's all, actually.

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the dictionary definition you had quoted was second to the definition that I had subsequently quoted.

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Furthermore, our constant wrangling should have ended in the prior discussion, this is the RfC now,

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quotes from Bible to address a nation shaken by year of atrocities") while the first sentence is "

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I presume everyone is familiar with the arguments by now. Or if not, I am happy to recap them.

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So thus, above all, the first and former definition is recognised prevalently versus the latter.

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would you regard the Queen's Representative as a sort of governor-general on par with Johnston?

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being considered at all, although I am confused as to how this term is in any way better than

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It is both the aim of Mies and ZBukov to replace every Commonwealth example in the list with

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to either gender. I wholeheartedly believe it is an extraordinarily better term to use than

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relations of the Crown with the Indian States through the Viceroy as Crown's Representative

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And with all things considered, I personally believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

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And, again, please, pointing out the obvious serves what purpose other than deflection? --

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Describing governors-general as head of state is contentious, illogical and is definitely

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In 1975, the Governor-General used the power given to him in the Constitution (Section 64

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anything; these are two (subtly different) definitions in regard to the exact same word.

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I admit that this situation is quite complicated, although take a look at it this way:

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nonsense is practically a red herring in itself; you are being insincerely impertinent.

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diatribe you've just dumped above, so, I won't give you reason to continue doing so. --

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differing territories; why on Earth should we put monarchs on a pedastool? Surely, the

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representative), and that's why some of us find "viceroy" insufficiently neutral.

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another twenty times will not change that, so you could save some space here also.

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Why would anyone not dismiss a false dilemma? The who's head of state argument is

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Consensus for status quo. Withdrawn by creator and editor requesting RfC. Cheers,

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Agree with Doc.'s remarks (01:07, 8 February), and with letting this be closed.

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That's your observation. Others will have to decide as to whether my supporting

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all Head of state representatives. This would render the current dispute, moot.

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as a descriptive? then it's best you concentrate on persuading the rest of us.

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The RFC is a little unclear about where this usage takes place, but the one in

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expressed a preference for "monarch'a representative" and against "viceroy".

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the Crown and the Representative, and clearly covers the issues at hand IMO.

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Concur. Queen's Rep, Monarch's Rep, both equally and wildly inappropriate. --

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One passing observation: you come across as being desperate about this topic.

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in the name of the Queen by the Crown's representative, the Governor-General

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Perhaps. Although would it really be a stretch to call the governors-general

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Zoltan, perhaps you could do some research on executive power in Australia.

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definition, it is a term more frequently used to refer to a vice-regal wife.

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Yourself & ZB are certaintly free to persuade participants to support

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Cook Islands—this is why the whole discussion started in the first place,

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their letters to the Crown's representative, the viceroy, in Mexico City

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the descriptor for the Cook Islands QR needs replacing and nothing else.

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Nope, hideous beyond belief. The status quo is fine and should be kept.

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when the queen dies, but we don't argue about its usage in those cases.

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descriptors are meant to be subtly different from the subsequent titles,

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This remains to me patently absurd. You should spare your own delusion.

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Your haughty rudeness is cowardly and unappreciated. So, simply put,

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I opened the Rfc, however. PS - Are we gonna argue over this, too ;)

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The question for the RfC has not been falsely presented. This issue

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the Crown's Representative was given the title of Governor General.

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we need to hear what other people think, without subjugating them.

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It is a red herring, we should be discussing the Cook Islands and

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So there we set off on our journey, and make the preparations for

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is suo jure gender-neutral. There, that's the end of it. End of.

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this is a reminder of what I had partially written on 17 January:

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gains practically zero results in regard to the Cook Islands.

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So then, why not just describe the Queen's Representative as

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Repeat: Oppose (B) Viceroy - a suo jure gender-nuanced term.

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Queen's Representative - status quo, actual title of position

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Please either improve your standards or leave the discussion.

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Your sarcasm is decaying beyond belief by the day; the word

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Definitely not acceptable: artificial and creates problems.

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tacit acquiescence) to imposing "viceroy" on the article.

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to be used on the year the demise of the Crown occurs and

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for those countries where women cannot inherit the throne

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If we can't reach an agreement here? I wouldn't object to

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A viceroy was the Crown's representative in the colonies

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the office of the titleholder. For example, we designate

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only talking about the issue pertaining to that country,

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From what I'm observing, a majority here are preferring

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the term is in common use within the dependent territory

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The debate is already over. The whole point of this RfC

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the most frequently; so, therefore, only his descriptor

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would it be a bit of a stretch to call and label him as

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by the Governor-General, using the royal prerogative.

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affirmed equal status for admin and non-admin closures.

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through the Viceroy, known as the Crown Representative.

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Sigh, more and more artificial nonsense. What part of "

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description of the kind of office the person occupies.

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Therefore, shall I request that this Rfc be closed as

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The RfC participants can agree to end it at any time.

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is in my view an acutely one-sided position to take.

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Why was it never 2332:has the exact same meaning and is more prevalent ( 5233:Just for the elimination of pointless repetition 3674:authority of the Viceroy as Crown representative 1395:, as they are both semi-regnal titles and are in 5456:Qexigator 00:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC), revised 3996:Henceforth, we shall have to agree to disagree. 3815:I love your cite -- its very first sentence is " 3318:I was invited here (see above) and I think that 1833:since that's what the actual article is called ( 170:gender-neutralising the first word of status quo 6267: 2659:—not exactly "A male ruler ", simply "A ruler " 2465:is sometimes used to indicate a female viceroy 477:Oh dear. This is where things get complicated. 6398:I am simply proposing as a compromise for the 6334:and put this matter to rest once and for all? 4292:would have to be changed. To comply with both 4168:article appears to be a list of state leaders 3619:. This remains a valid defense supporting the 1902:First Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea 1671:The Australians would agree to differ, in fact 5754:? then the default would be the status quo - 5479:Just to clarify, are you in support of both ( 3320:"monarch's representative" is the best option 1681:option—although disregarding it in favour of 1513:garners 303 results in respect to just Canada 1090:of the issue pertaining to the Cook Islands. 648:Again, this is a matter for the Cook Islands. 8: 3613:the New Zealand media refers to the QR as a 1729:gender-neutral enough. Repeating that it is 6174: 6172: 6025:that is occurring – not naming names *ahem* 4207:are recommended to be consistent throughout 2560:, up to this point. The fact that the term 1900:, preceding his name and official title of 1192:PoV. Thankfully, that isn't the case here. 527:Note #2: This is precisely the short term. 6814:And to whom are you talking to, exactly?-- 6788:You are invited to join the discussion at 5198:Queen's Representative of the Cook Islands 5099:Queen's Representative of the Cook Islands 5000:Queen's Representative of the Cook Islands 4822:Queen's Representative of the Cook Islands 2685:, they are both legitimate but fail NPOV. 2630:"Vicereine: 2: a woman who is a viceroy". 2348:is specifically used more frequently than 417: 5547:Secondly, do you support the status quo, 5435:Viceroy - a suo jure gender-nuanced term. 4922:So this is what it currently looks like: 582:representatives. This is the final blow. 454: 5324:contact and back... slowly... away... -- 4882:representative, or Associated viceroy. 4742:Okay, this is what it should look like: 4683:Islands as "monarch's representative". 3502:for details." - shamelessly stolen from 2025:), the monarch is referred to solely as 1772:is to get some outside voices, i.e. for 1188:I get a tad annoyed, when you push your 481:Perhaps we could draw some analogies to 6159: 2662:"Vicereine: 1: The wife of a viceroy." 1480:as to not be worth considering here. -- 469:representatives? Is it policy to place 6371:, most people, so far, have agreed. -- 6040:Since I am still rather uninvolved, I 5487:) options or just one of both of them? 4897: 4062:Just for factual accuracy, I strongly 3958: 3901: 3628:usually refer to these types of people 3365:It is absolutely cumbersome, it fails 2922: 2681:is a lopsided attempt versus De facto 2595: 2589:as its first redirect suggestion, and 1520:garners slightly less with 295 results 643: 637:Simply put, this is why I believe the 571:What are we to do? This is a dead-end. 519:. We will get in, and we will get out. 392: 324: 229:commonly used in the New Zealand media 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4115:would look quite messy as a solution. 3369:and is an ambiguous designation. See 2817:Right then. So, on that note, let me 1837:) and that's what it's called in the 1363:, then the status quo is maintained. 1253:Eech, more red herring. 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Cheers, 3098:My request for input from 3052:outsiders gonna chime in? 2571:) should be enough. Think 2326:Viceregal Representative – 1783:—which could take months. 1449:I've requested input from 1405:Monarch's Representative – 1163:penchant for flip-floppery 878:Monarch's Representative – 552:Monarch's Representative – 502:Monarch's Representative – 434:Monarch's Representative – 393:argument for inconsistency 6753:acknowledged by the Queen 5521:Definitely not acceptable 4994:Queen's Representative – 4290:Cook Islands constitution 3470:by any uninvolved editor. 3286:- Use the actual titles. 2417:Vice-regal Representative 2362:Vice-regal Representative 2350:Vice-regal Representative 2338:Vice-regal Representative 618:And, there. 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But, it was 5050:Governor-General – Sir 4951:Governor-General – Sir 4288:I can confirm that the 3823:" Did you miss that? 3260:King's Representative – 3100:WP:WikiProject Politics 2733:A red herring? Christ. 2551:My point still stands. 2475:should be good enough. 1961:Prime Minister of Spain 1954:The controversy around 1896:with the descriptor of 614:Fuhrer's Representative 584:If we choose to regard 325:No matter what's chosen 233:comedian vs. comedienne 6528:, which in my view is 6363:, in contravention of 6276: 6073:I've no objections to 5756:Queen's Representative 5740:Queen's Representative 4598:for an observation. -- 4581:Queen's Representative 4382:Queen's Representative 4118:Queen's Representative 4084:Queen's Representative 3821:Sir Frederick Goodwin. 3819:Queen's representative 3708:and on and on and on. 3534:Queen's Representative 3292:Queen's Representative 3246:Queen's Representative 3225:Queen's Representative 2344:). 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We must maintain 865:or Australia's Sir 457:administrator is a 156:gender-nuanced term 6077:closing this Rfc. 4304:for good measure. 4267:make this change. 4146:. Not the future. 3856:in the headline (" 3792:in a news headline 3504:WP:RFC#Ending RfCs 3048:Holy smokers, are 1989:the problem here. 1235:the United Kingdom 859:dispute with China 512:? Voilà. Job done. 110: 6530:an appalling idea 6066:The Mental Asylum 5856: 5666:The Mental Asylum 5203:Prime Minister – 5160:Prime Minister – 5104:Prime Minister – 5061:Prime Minister – 5005:Prime Minister – 4962:Prime Minister – 4827:Prime minister – 4784:Prime minister – 4511: 4300:, I present this 4220:we should act now 3726:term in general. 3516:The Mental Asylum 3411:The Mental Asylum 3205:The Mental Asylum 2931:is a sexist term. 1623:their own country 1287: 1271: 1249: 1226: 1204: 1184: 625: 624: 578:. Collision. 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