Talk:Lists of state leaders by century

2912:), so maybe you should take the trouble to read it and reply to the arguments instead of just angrily repeating your opinion over and over... Reading through your talkpage it seems you've already had a very similar argument with someone else on pretty much the same topic. How many more people do you need to tell you that we should be sticking to facts instead of theoretical considerations which have no relation to the realities on the ground? It just makes no sense to put someone into a "list of state leaders" list who wasn't in control of his country at the time. Your insistence on sticking to legal succession of leaders would practically result in not having any leaders in Africa since they usually get to their positions through coups d'état. And following your logic 1663:

reason I've been sticking to major European powers mostly, and I'm really not as knowledgable on all them as I'd like (the U.S. is also easy, bit was completed long ago). My overal M.O. was to pick a nation or two and do their monacrhs for one century. I was mostly working on the 18th and 19th, and got quite a bit done. I've been leaving out prime ministers and the like (as their turnover slowed down the easy copy and paste I was doing with the monarchs) but trying to come back and do them afterwards. I've been meaning to pick up where I left off with Spain; their tendency to have a minimum of 5 P.M.'s in a year was proving grueling work. I actually haven't even looked at these pages in a while, so I should probably check them out and see how their progressing.

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big. And because some small European states are still sovereign in their own right, they are included in the state leader list. But then, it would not be fair (in my oppinion) to exclude similar sized states that were not sovereign (in the medieval era), but rather part of a larger state. During the middle ages (especially during the early middle ages), the difference between an independent state, and a state that was part of a larger fuedal state was minimal. My inclusion of states has been pretty large sofar, but i do try to limit myself to states that had significant importance/possessions.

1715:, who is obviously so widely discredited that he shouldn't be included at all. At some point (clearly I have no idea exactly when) we might have to just say "prior to this time records or so unreliable that we cannot say who who was ruling", and leave it at that. That being said, I think we should try to sort of concentrate on having more complete listings for the more certain years (mostly the latter half of last millenium) before we worry too much about times that exist in the mythological records more than the historical ones. Of course, I should probably put my money where my mouth is. - 1486:

with the most recent years at the top and the distant ones at the bottom. I think this makes sense, as there is basically no solid beginning point of this list. Besides, people will probably be more interested in the past couple centuries than the years around 2500 BC (not that we're there yet, but it would be nice if eventually went back that far), so it makes sense to have the former at the top. That said, I don't especially feel like volunteering to rewrite everything. I don't suppose there's anyone that does? And I guess we should get a consensus on both these proposals first. -

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associated states, dependencies, etc)? The regions in question are: Rodrigues (Mauritius), Príncipe (São Tomé and Príncipe), Southern Sudan (Sudan), Zanzibar (Tanzania), Hong Kong and Macau (China), Mindanao (Philippines), Gorno-Badakhshan (Tajikistan), Karakalpakstan (Uzbekistan), Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan), Åland (Finland), Adjara (Georgia), Mount Athos (Greece), Gagauzia (Moldova), Azores and Madeira (Portugal), Crimea (Ukraine), Kurdistan (Iraq), Nevis (Saint Kitts and Nevis), Tobago (Trinidad and Tobago), Bougainville (Papua New Guinea). I'd like to hear your opinions!

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coutry's/state's subparts (states, provinces etc.) if you are breaking it down that far. You could also list the start year and end year that country/state existed so that it would only be displayed in year pages where it existed. Then you could have a table of leaders and their start date(s) and end date(s). Then a script could generate pages for each year. While these pages would have to be copied over individually by hand at least it would be easy to keep formatting/order consistant and if spelling errors or factual errors are found it may be easier to fix them.

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well be listed together. On the 1816 page the non-heads of state are grouped at the bottom, even though the list above doesn't even mention limiting the entires to "heads of state". I'd also be in favor of reversing the order of the 2003 page, putting national leaders at the top and leaders of international organizations at the bottom. I think anyone looking at the article would likely be more interested in national leaders than who's running the International Maritime Organization. But maybe that's just me. -

3397:, they may support a short article and contain information that they were probably not the only ruler, relevant for this discussion. We may know the position only in a generic sense, perhaps "king"; in that case there should be only the unlinked term. The role of kings vary widely, particularly in modern times, and if information is available to support a separate article there can be a link, even a red link, to an article such as "King of Wessex", or to "List of monarchs of Wessex" where presently 3406:

particular set of ruler, position, and entity while keeping the entry for each set of data simple, useful and transparent. Applying these principles to the instant conflict, what is appropriate for individual entries in different historical eras varies widely, thus broad rules specifying specific content are inappropriate. What is appropriate is careful attention to individual entries taking into consideration the amount and nature of the information available and its usefulness to readers.—

2259:), from 500 BC to 1699 BC. From 1700 BC and on, we could then go by century (though I confess that might not be a great idea for this particular project). This would greatly shorten the page, and it would also eliminate the ridiculous claim to accuracy: most dates from the era we are dealing with here are not known with perfect precision. And why should articles on state leaders by year strive for more specificity in this regard than do the articles on the years themselves? -- 3268:

the key moment, but if that is the case, then one should probably view French bishoprics like Reims and Soissons as states, as well. On the whole, I think the collapse of central authority in the empire in the mid 13th century is probably the best place to start, because before that time the archbishops would clearly have been seen as dependent on their feudal lord, the Emperor; after that time, they began to acquire more and more of the characteristics of modern states.

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and formatting is being debated... Failing all that though, maybe the place to start would be to make a list of all the countries etc that you want to include, debate the start times and end time of each one and then make a master list for each year that people can fill in. That way the countries would be in the same order and there might be agreement about what info is needed. Just a few thoughts <lol: -->

192: 174: 3258:. I think our general consensus has been to limit the listing of German states to the electorates, with perhaps the largest most important non-electoral secular princes included as well. If we want to limit to electors, starting in 1256 or 1257, which was the first major election in which votes only went to the seven major princes later codified in the Golden Bull of 1356. Perhaps a series like 502:

consensus on colonies. I wouldn't mind leaving them out, or having a link to a separate page (for example under "United Kingdom", after it lists Prime Minister and Monarch, it could have a link to its colonial leaders for that year). Others may object. I do think we need a specific format before we expand these entries to other years. My vote is for the 2003 format, perhaps with minor changes. -

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Adam from doing what he's doing.) I also find it's just plain easier, and, as you said, we can pick our areas of expertise. The disadvantage of this method is that it's easy to overlook minor countries, giving the appearance of completion on some pages, whereas if it's done by year, an oversight of an entire year would be easy to spot and rectify. -

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coming on. For the late 3rd millenium and subsequent millennia, there are multiple state leaders at the same time: first the different Mesopotamian city states and Ancient Egypt and then several states in the Middle East, India, Pakistan and China. To give you a notice of what is possible in this serie of articles, just look at

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exile then, but the seats were similarly held by imprisoned leaders) and not keeping leaders of occupied states after war. And when talking about war - do you mean until the end of world war II - Japan surrendering - that had nothing to do with Estonia. Or should we take into consideration that world war II ended for Estonia

2752:(since both leaders listed there spanned both centuries). The list is still over 100KB, but could be made smaller by condensing the lists for the 2nd through 6th centuries BC into decades. I have not done so because I wanted to seek consensus for that, as there already are a few existing year articles for these time periods. 736:, but given how the news media has all but ignored "Republic of China", we cant go too wrong. Whenever we refer to the ROC on wikipedia, we use either ] on ], ] (Taiwan), ], or ]. "Taiwan" is always included in some way. As long as we dont removed the reference and link to "Republic of China" completely, we should be fine. 2820:, while also including those who have de-facto control of their area (to avoid the obvious disputes over Kosovo etc.). Keeping states on during a war (such as the states occupied during the second world war) is one thing but am not inclined to have government in exile other than for that specific exception. 3267:

article on Mainz mentions that the archbishop granted the city of Mainz a charter in the early 12th century; presumably his territorial rule over the city had begun some time before then. Both that article and the 1911 Britannica one suggest Boniface's appointment as archbishop in the 8th century as

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The three main archbishops (Cologne, Trier, Mainz) were secular rulers from pretty early times. But when you're talking about feudal states, it becomes difficult to say what level of rule qualifies them for inclusion in the lists. There were 300 or so state-like entities in the Holy Roman Empire in

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already existed, so I thought better to link to them directly. There were no existing lists for the 7th and 6th centuries BC, so decades would probably make sense there too. There were also no lists for the 18th or 20th centuries BC, and the sole link from the 19th century BC was for 1900 BC, which I

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Wiki doesn't allow any scripting at all? Javascript? PHP? I still think it might be easier to host the database offsite and have it generate webpages for you which would, admittedly have to be copied by hand. At least for the main part of this project while the largest amount data is being entered

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Well, I'd say maybe back to the 6 or 7 hundreds BCE it's worth it, but it does seem really really silly to be giving every year once you go much further back than that. I mean, how many dates from the 2nd and 3rd millennium BCE do we really have firmly pinned down? We get a few from Sothic Cycles and

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Anyway, the country-by-country rather than year-by-year method sort of seems better to me. Having a couple dozen major countries spread out over hundreds of years seems more useful in the interim than a hundred coutnries cataloged for only a couple dozen years. (Though I certainly wouldn't discourage

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complete after several people have gone over them, while some minor entities no one thought of slip through the cracks. But it probably is more efficient. I have no strong objections to either way of doing it. And there will be many difficult and complicated situations, as mentioned above; I think we

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pages to show "seven member Swiss Federal Council" instead of the name of the president of the Swiss Confederation? Whatever the details of Swiss government, the name of the President of the Confederation (many of whom we even have articles about) is clearly more useful than the same thing for every

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but several sections there contain information about them. Thus in the example chosen there is no clear better choice in terms of information useful to a reader. There should be a link to the correct historical entity. The guiding principles should be to create appropriate entries and links for each

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I still think leaving most states out of the main list and creating sublists for the Holy Roman Empire and the like might be the best way to do this, as it keeps the main pages from getting too cluttered. I admit that I am thinking of this largely from an early modern/modern perspective rather than

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I understand that we cant include all states. Ive worked on over 400 of the state leader pages now and ive come across so many small states and territories where i had to dig deep to decide wether to include them or not. The problem is, is that Europe has always had many, many states, both small and

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should still be included as King of Bulgaria since he never legally abdicated as is the case of most deposed monarchies. I hope this demonstrated sufficiently where your approach leads. And I'm afraid very few people will share your opinion that the Second World War ended for Estonia in 1991. I have

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again (and some of the talk page - I have read the article before) before I commented here and I still stand by my opinion that we should stick to de facto control in order to avoid having to get into disputes over who is de jure leader of an area (such as Kosovo, Palestine, Western Sahara, Abkhazia

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in 1991? So if anyone wishes to improve these articles, think first - we should follow official seats, not who you think had the most power over a specific country at some point of time. And another interesting thing - The Republic of Estonia NEVER CEASED TO EXIST during or after World War II, it is

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The article is already divided into centuries, so why not move each century to its own individual article with a title like "State leaders of the 20th Century". Then, modify this article so that it is a simple list of centuries. As an example, to locate the leaders in 885, a user would navigate like

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the work that's already there. Adam Bishop, for example, has been trying to do the lists for 1104 and 1105 by copying from 1103. If 1104 and 1105 had been empty beforehand, it would've been relatively straightforward for him; but I've already gone through the 12th century with a motley collection of

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I'd be up for doing this. I think Jonel has been going (forward) chronologically). China from 1912-1949 can be quite complicated though, especially during the period (1918?-1928) when there are two different regimes calling themselves the "Republic of China". I'd say that up to 1928 the "Warlord"

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Would anyone object to, say, going back chronologically and completing this project country by country (so I would do China for every year one time, then someone may do England etc.) - rather than specific years. I feel this could be far more efficient - thus putting the project up sooner. If anyone

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We REALLY need consistency here. It seems "incumbents" has been rejected as a title, but now our 2 prototypes are "List of state leaders..." and "List of government leaders...". Can we agree to one and change all years to that title, before we have to deal with even more alternate titles appearing?

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Why does Ummah get a listing on (for example) the 2003 page, saying "Caliphate defunct since 1924"? Or to put it another way, if Ummah gets that listing, why doesn't everything else that is defunct get such a listing? I'm not advocating the latter - I'm bringing it up as a means of illustrating that

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What are we doing with this bunch? They aren't a sovereign state, as they have no territory. However, their current placement as a Catholic Church is erroneous, as they are an order rather than a church (we probably need a subhead for Catholic lay orders for the time when there were lots of orders

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There are generally three data entries, the person, the position, the entity. The person may be unknown or uncertain, or nothing significant may be known about them. In such cases they will not, as an individual, support an article. If so they should simply be named. There might be a link to a list

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I am working in a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), and we are gathering information about the political situation of different countries over the world. Our purpose is to investigate changes in political systems in the history such as head of states. After surfing on the net, we have considered

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could be created for the other states, so as not to weigh down the main article. (On the other hand, it'd seem a shame not to include major princes like the Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel or the Duke of Württemberg). In terms of the territorial development of the various ecclesiastical states, I don't

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I added autonomous regions of countries earlier, but I'm having second thoughts. Do you think it makes sense to keep them on the state leaders list, or should the list only include independent countries, unrecognized countried with de facto control and 'colonies' (overseas and external territories,

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I made a fair number of link repair edits to the pages for individual years that indicated I was fixing links to "Japanese", when the target page in question was "Bohai". Just noting my error here so I don't have to make a large number of null edits explaining the situation. I don't think it should

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Not sure what you mean by that. A user could easily find what he's looking for by revealing more information at each step in the navigation. It would also have the added benefit that a knowledgeable user could immediately go to the "State leaders of the 20th Century" (or whatever century he wanted)

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I went through the lists of rulers of 2nd and 3rd millennium BC and did just that, i.e. I added a "(legendary)" to the respective lists; it is hard, though, to draw an exact line where legend ends and were history starts. The Roman kings may be regarded as "half-legendary", so can some of the early

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have existed. I agree - when any leader on a particular page is significantly questionable a disclaimer should be added to the top "Due to the nature of historical records dating from this time, one or more leaders listed here may not have existed, or may not have served in the capacity described."

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means "first among equals". At any rate, if the President of the Swiss Confederation is not the Head of State, then what is he? My understanding is that his special responsibilities as president are entirely of the "Head of State" variety. He "undertakes special representational duties," says his

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I just made some changes in the 1816 list. Mostly I incorporated the non-heads of state into the main list, which I believe there was somewhat of a consensus to do. I'd like to see the entire list done more along the lines of the 2003 list. Are there any strong objections? We also do need to have a

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Yes, I think both of those are good ideas. What I do think, however, is that we need to figure out how to format colonies. I think that putting them with the colonizing country's entry would quickly become unwieldy (especially for something like the British Empire), but I'm not sure what would be

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Personally, I prefer the 2003 format to the 1816 format. The divisions by geography make sense, and would be particularly helpful for 1816; just having all the German states listed together would make the whole page alot easier to manage. I also think heads of state and heads of government might as

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Keep this article as it is but place everything after the 1st century BC into a heading of (something like) "2nd century BC and older" and include only those articles that have links (and possibly include subheadings for each century that has date). This would result in an article of roughly 55kb.

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Quite true, and well spotted. It is a minor point, but as an encyclopedia we should be expected to get it right. Unfortunately that will mean a major overhaul of the entire format. If we're going to to a major revision, I have a suggestion for another major change, and that is a complete reversal,

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What is our policy going to be on the China/Taiwan issue? Officially, Taiwan is still part of China (at least, according to the UN and something like 179 out of 182 countries). We need to both a) maintain NPOV and b) reflect the current situation. Please check the 2003 list for both my original

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Well for secular states i wouldnt put i limit on them to not include them before a certain time, because i prefer to base their inclusion on their territorial possessions rather then a certain year. The case with eclassiastical states in the Holy Roman Empire is much tougher as many articles dont

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OK, exceptional case. So, should we include Estonian prime minister in duties of the president until 1945? He was in exile... And continue on with no mention of Estonia although "leaders" were in exile for a lot longer. Stopping strictly at 1945 would be quite silly in that case, don't you think?

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That's unnecessary. The AD or CE years are only being added to at the rate of one new one per year, and the BC or BCE years have only been compiled back a little past 100 BC, so there's very little confusion of a red-link BC years with a blue link AD. Besides, the Roman Empire (Augustus Caesar)

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The first centuries of the 3rd millenium BC only had the Egyptian king who is known to us today. It should be noted however that recent archeological research suggest that the Harappan culture in India and Pakistan is as old as Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. Perhaps there will be some new leaders

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I think that a state like the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines), should be listed in each of the Geographic locations they held, as unlike the colonial powers of later Europe, the Byzantine holdings tended to be contiguous. To list them only in Asia, Europe, or the Mid-East would miss one of the

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I'm certainly with you in terms of reluctance to work on countries whose histories I'm not too familair with. There's plenty of confusion, partilarly as you go further back when things weren't always as clear and official as they tend to be now (not that that's always the case even now). For that

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Good, but perhaps we can have the colonial governors for every nation's colonies on a single page. If we're going to have a page for for the British Empire we're going to need one for every nation that has even a single colony, which I think would be sort of a waste. So how about under every such

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To inform you more, the Estonian government in exile was formed only in 1953, before that, the official positions were held by men who were either imprisoned by the Soviets DURING THE WAR, or who had fled abroad. So where exactly goes the border? keeping leaders of occupied states during war (in

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and I believe that we have used BC since. I use Jonel's second priority as a reason for supporting the use of BC and also the reason that we use BC for the moment in this project. No reason to make a change that goes against the general wikipedia use (from what I have seen BC is more common than

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I don't think this is so difficult an issue. All we have to do is put some sort of mark (perhaps a *) after their name, to denote that the history is unclear, that their existence is disputed or unsure. The individual articles on these rulers should provide adequate further discussion into the

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It's indeed preferable not to list them everywhere (afterall, it's even one more than San Marino), maybe we'd better list none and refer to the detailed list. If it's really obvious, maybe you want to edit the related articles. You could quote the CIA as reference. BTW what's the translation for

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Is the Ottoman Empire situation similar to Germany in the late 1800s? If so, I could see that format being kept for the Ottomans. As for protectorates with their own monarch, I suppose the distinction is sovereignty. I'm thinking they'll probably end up on the colonial page, and we'll have to

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do not deserve a place in these articles and keeps reverting my edits, I honestly don't have enought time to keep competing with him, so I turn to this talk page. He has made a lot of contributions to these articles, but doesn't seem to care to discuss his VIEWS about these articles not needing

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power, but could be mentioned also. The big issue here is that Zbukov has reverted my edits for nearly 50 years several times now, resulting a very very unconvenient edit war. Now, I am the kind of person who keeps adding Estonia-related info on Knowledge and I am very familiar with my national

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True, but we are getting more years added all the time. I was surpirsed how this list used to be stagnating around 1700 but recently quickly went back to the 13th century. The purpose of the list is to eventually and ideally list state leaders for all years back to, well, back to the time state

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The usual theory in the related articles is that he is not (Head of State). As for the King of Sweden, I'm not sure to whom he is equal. Anyways, for the purpose of the otherwise useful list, it may be easier to just copy the usual Factbook fields and avoid debates. If you want to list just one

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can be considered legally and officially to be part of China, Taiwan is its common name and someone looking for its president would naturally search under T. Most people dont even know that the government in Taipei is officially of the Republic of China, and someone looking for Taiwan might get

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by Peter Truhart for a start. I don't think there are enough users to put the data on Knowledge though. We need a bunch of people with an awful lot of freetime who would be interrested in puting down the same set of names year in year out. What could be a nice starter is to make sure all state

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So far I've been going with option #1, because I have absolutely no confidence with my knowledge of the history of any country other than China, and I'm afraid that I'll mess something up. Just trying to add the rulers for Japan along with China has taken me forever as I struggle the learn the

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Are there any objections to settling on a "list of governmental leaders" series, a separate "list of religious leaders" series, and after 1950 a "list of international organization leaders" series? Can we start moving pages, creating index pages, and linking from the year articles using these

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The naming conventions page suggests that we should not use the term Taiwan at all here and refer to that government solely as the Republic of China. I realize that would be confusing for some, but the official name of the state is Republic of China and the ROC constitution lays claim to the

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leader during World War II. So why exactly should we include governments in exile for Norway, Poland etc when we exclude the governments in exile for Estonia?? By "knowledge" I meant people who generally edit articles with political background, not only people who happen to "think" ; I don't

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I do not know much about wiki but wouldn't the easiest way to collaborate on this be dynamic web pages and a database. I am going to assume that wiki doesn't allow dynamic pages but even so it may be easier to collaborate off-site. You could have a table for countries/states and a for each

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There are still quite a few "heads of state" pages (1871-79, 1904, 1913, 1914, etc.), should these be moved to "List of state leaders in XXXX" and expanded, or are we still doing separate "heads of state" pages? I think they should be moved, for reasons that have been discussed previously.

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which you brought up as an example of a list that includes de jure leaders, you should have noted that those people ruled during World War II, and as it has already been pointed out, the World War II is regarded as an expectional case where by consensus governments-in-exile are listed.

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are de facto separate sovereign states, but claim each others' territory just like how North and South Korea claim each other's territory. Since the ROC has all the characteristics of a sovereign state (until the 1970s was recognized by most countries as one), we ought to regard it as

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No I didn't mean that part as a direct reply to you :). What I meant is that people with real knowledge in these matters should say their opinion, I do consider myself more or less as "intelligent" in politics (Estonia-related at least), but would like to hear what others think as

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The year pages could give an indication of what leaders ruled where on what time. I think it would be even better to get maps of every year, so people can't only watch the names of the leaders, but also the territory they ruled. There are far too little volunteers to work on this

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How about independent nations with no clear incumbents? For example, Vermont declared its independence in 1777 (and was not part of the USA), but it did not have a governor until 1778. Rather than just leave it off of the 1777 page, might it not be nicer to list something like

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emperors of Japan, and so on and so forth. Since their very existences are disputed, what do we do with them? Also, what happens to kings that likely did exist but do not have clearly assigned dates? Many early kings fall into this category. -- ] 00:43, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

1000:? The page lists people who aren't heads of state, anyway, and the President of the Confederation seems to fulfill some of the responsibilities of a head of state - at least as much as, say, the various Communist states' "Presidents of the Council of State" or what not. 2017:

I don't know of other empires (other than possibly the early Arab states that may have included Mid-East, Asia, and African holdings)than spanned multiple geographic areas, so I don't think listing them in all three locations would cause an undue duplication of entries.

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I personally prefer doing it country by country but I suspect that it might be more effective to do many countries at once. One some years there are a myriad of small kingdoms (most of them which I ahve heard of). I have no idea if they were sovereign at that time.

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head of government or head of state. I mean, should we really have a list of 1939, where the only soviet leaders listed are Kalinin and Molotov? Or in 1956, where we get Voroshilov and Bulganin, but no Khrushchev? Mao would be gone after 1959. And so forth.

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Considering that people who are interested in this list ought to know enough to realize that 'state' has the sovereign entity meaning, I would say "List of state leaders in XXXX" should be what we go with. So, is there any objection to the tripartite pages?:

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article. When all of the sub-articles are finished, then the parent would be modified to delete all the century sections, which would be replaced by a list of the 53 centuries, each with a wikilink to that century's article (list of years). Comments please?

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I'm no partisan in the date format dispute, and I voted against making BCE mandatory. However I am annoyed by people switching to their preferred format without good reason. Originally this series used BCE (the first page created where this was an issue was

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I agree with at leats the first point about millenia, but I'm not tottally sure of which way is the best one. Burrently I think that it's fine either way, but if we eventually get more years then it would be best if the most recent ones were at the top.

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Having the positions stated first also makes it easier to read. And in some cases the two titles may be worded differently, for example Ireland: Prime Minister - so-and-so, An Taoiseach. In this case I don't think a little redundancy is a bad thing.

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So, I disagree with a lot of Ugen64's suggestions (see above). At any rate, I don't particularly care about the name, but I think Jiang's probably right that things will get very cluttered if we try to include all incumbents on this page.

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does anyone else think all the sections for state leaders from the thirty-second second century BC to the second century BC are a complete waste of time? i dont think they will ever be expanded: there's just no information available.

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A very good idea, and your assumption is unfortunatly correct. Knowledge doesn't support databases. This kind of information woul ideally be in a databse since that would mean less inconsistencies and better ability to search.

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still the same republic. This of course might seem hard to understand for some users not familiar with official politics, but this is the official view of the Estonian government. To say Estonia ceased to exist is POV.

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Go ahead and use it! You'll never know if people would object unless you put it in a prominent, in-your-face context. :D And I'd suggest removing those bullets you have for every decade. -- ] 19:43, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

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It's time to stop with this nonsense of listing the seven members everywhere. What do you think "President of the Confederation" means? Obviously he is the head of the state. A primus inter pares is still a primus.

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show what territory they possessed, and often mix up their religious influence with their secular influence. Other eclessiastical states that ive come across sofar that should be included at some point are the

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All of the centuries are mismarked, you fools. "The 18th Century" would refer to the 1700's...that the 1800's as posted in this article. Proving once agian there is little scholarly significance to Knowledge.

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I think colonies, as such, should go on separate colonial pages, separate from the main page. On the other hand, I'm concerned about the kind of protectorates which had their own monarch, but were were under

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My only concern with that is ignorant people not knowing the distinction between "state" as used in international politcs and "state" as the U.S. states. But I do think that that title is the best one I've

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But now the thing is: I've realized that once we go with option #1, we end up with a lot of almost-empty articles, and it's extremely hard for someone to do #2, since they'll essentially be trying to work

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leaders first existed. I think it would be easier to reverse the order sooner rather than later (it would have been much easier several months ago, but too late now; I shoul dhave mentioned it earlier). -

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Yes, this is a good point - but for this reason, I have been using "List of countries" to fill in entries... capitals and hence systematic. The same problems could occur with year by year constructs.--

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redirects. However that article has no significant information about the role "kings" played in Wessex. Information about the role played by kings in Wessex is not broken out as a separate section in

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emperors of Japan, I think we need to yield to experts in such subjects. There must be some sort of historical protocol for handling such things. As as Eurocentric westerner, I'm tempted to think of

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other celestial events, I suppose, but honestly, if the articles on years drop down to decades beyond a certain point, why are the articles on leaders by year notdoing the same at the very least? --

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If we list colonies, we should list them separate from the independent state under different section heading. This way, people don't get confused and assume that certain colonies were independent.

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I don't think we need a fixed standard. In the years before the Caribbean states gained their independence one entry should be fine, while afterwards it is probably better to split them up. -

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English kings in the 6th or 7th century etc. In general, though, it should be possible to give an impression where we rely on actual historical records and where on heresay and legend. --

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I agree with Iustinus; there should be articles for every year going back to some point, and then every decade further back, and then every century back to the first known state leader.

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The alphabetization is to facilitate finding an entry. Listing it under "C" won't help much. User:Rwv37's suggestion would work, but we would have to create an extra line in the page.--

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East Asian regimes, meaning that he'll have to end up splicing my stuff into the list. And that's a chore, especially if he has to do this repeatedly for every single page he updates.

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I'd say start counting German states other than stem duchies and marches only from the beginning of the 13th century or so, but I'm not sure I can present evidence to justify that.

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Didn't know that they actually had sovereignty over their headquarters building, or that they had embassies at all. In light of that, I suppose we should count them as a state. --

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that of the middle ages. If the size of the smallest current state is the minimum, then virtually every state-like entity that has ever existed has to be included, given how tiny

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does agree to this - I would recomemnd working back chronologically, so as to ocmplete the most current years sooner - China would be a good start as it has such a long history. --

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that this page, wikipedia's article, is the most complete source. Is there any possibility to get that information in a table or in a way that we can work later on with the data?

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The redundancy is due to multiple people consecutively holding the offices - Without it, transitions of power could be confusing. I'm open to suggestions on how to fix that. --

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Do we even want colonies? Is a colonial governor much more important than a state governor or provincial premier? Perhaps they should be sent to a separate sub-list, similar to

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Although this problem is still far from becoming critical, I think that as we work backwards in time we'll eventually run into rulers that may or may not have existed... e.g.

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And Jiang is right, the 2004 page should be changed to the format of the 2003 and 1816 pages, which I think are finally just about formatted the same (excpt for the titles). -

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in control of their countries." Now, I would like to remind you that the name of this article is "List of state leaders" and it says nothing about the necessity of "having

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The Sovereign Military Order could go with countries, I think. They have sovereignty over their headquarters building in Rome and over embassies in various countries.

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Going by year. Starting from a relatively "complete" year (let's say the 1103 page), and going forwards or backwards, keeping track of every single country in the list.

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Yeah, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Likewise no international organizations from that era are coming to me either, but maybe I'm not thinking hard enough. -

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Republic in the north should get top billing, but that the Nationalist regime should be mentioned too...at any rate, I can do Britain, France, and Germany, at least.

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All I have left is to say again that they would be needed here, because they were "leaders of their country", in these matters what is de jure, matters. For example

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It's a difficult issue, but personally I am inclined to say they should not be included in the lists. I think we should be including the relevant entries as per the

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Yeah, sounds good. This is certainly just as ambitious as anything else on the WikiProjects page, and it would be nice to have a solid format placed somewhere. --

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Independent (at the time) nations should always be listed. It would be best to find out who was in charge of government and list that, even if it is a group. --

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Yes, we should list all contending governments as long as they controlled some land. Both the Taliban and United Front are listed at the 2001 article...

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I explained my opinion on your talkpage about how long I think Estonia should be included in the list. However you still haven't answered my questions:

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spanned that 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD period. There was little difference between the first centuries BC and AD, when the ancient world was at its height.

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need to deal with them on a case by case basis. Unfortunately, no one thought of Knowledge entries when establishing governments and running nations. -

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the feeling your definition of "people with real knowledge in these matters", whose opinion you seek, will only include those who agree with you...

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significant features of the Byzantines: their long term strategic location as a buffer for the rest of Europe during the 'so called middle ages'.

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project are written. (the discussion is actually longer, but im not sure if im supposed to link all parts of it). 18:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC))

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entirety of China including mainland. Therefore, the two should be under separate entries in our list, but both alphabetized under "c". --

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Other states have diplomatic relations with Vatican City. Not true of most of the multitude of state-like entities that have ever existed.

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I think the only problem with doing it country by country rather than by year is that its very easy to overlook minor counties; pages may

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Does that any sense or is it just me? Shouldnt this be remove until the times that colonies actually existed ?] 13:18, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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issue. For mythical rulers where no information exists as to when they might have ruled, they have no place on a list of state leaders

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articles pre-21st century, the new century began on XX01, not XX00. That means the table of centuries in this article is incorrect. --

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We've been listing communist party leaders. Should we really be listing non-governmental positions? They not officially HoS nor HoG. --

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Deleted. There are a number of claims to the Caliphate, but since there is no one definite Caliph, the Ummah should not be listed. --

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The centuries are marked correctly. The 18th Century started with year 1701 and ended with year 1800. That is what the article has.

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This would not be that difficult to do. It would result in 53 new Knowledge articles, each a simple cut-and-paste from the parent

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This opinion does not address entries for entries for recent historical eras which seem to be in an adequate standardized form.

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I doubt we will have blue links going all the way back. Far enough back, we simply have no information, and perhaps never will.

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By the way, i find this a bit pointless, but since its there, i'll add the portuguese kings to it. ] 13:19, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Can we just decide where the hell we're going to put this stuff? I'm sick of all these pages being constantly moved around.

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confused. We don't have consistency on this issues, with the ROC listed under "c" in some places and under "t" at others.--

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Yes, that's fine, and better than governmental leaders, which implies that, say, foreign ministers should be included.

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neccessarily mean you with this statement, I have just experienced that many people don't know what they are doing...

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I don't like the first solution. We should assume that in the future there will be people who fill in all the gaps.--

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1789, not even counting minor polities like the imperial knights. We can't, and shouldn't, include all of them in

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titles go in the first part, and the specific, official titles go in the second spot, assuming they're different.

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If we do have the HoS and HoG on the same page (as it seems we are going to), they should be listed together. --

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You still haven't bothered to react to my argument that following your opinion that "what is de jure, matters",

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etc.). However if others disagree and there is a consensus that it should be included then I am fine with that.

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Same as #2, except the latter three articles are combined into one article that would have a size of about 5kb.

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leaders. Is anyone else AGAINST adding them to these articles, or is it just me - wanting to stay correct???

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Here is a new idea based on the way complex folder/directory structures are maintained in computer systems.

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Going by country. Pick a country that you know very well about, and add it for as many years as possible.

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I believed my change to the 2003 list was minor because I was just rearranging. While the Republic of

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Knowledge consistency - These articles should use the same format as the general year articles, i.e.

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Hide and show features, like on templates. I was asking if this is what you were referring to . see

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Internal consistency - If we have one article at XXXX in 500 BCE, they should all by YYYY in ZZ BCE.

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of rulers of the entity or to an article about the history of the entity. In some cases, such as

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Red links are okay in this article because there will eventually be articles written to correctly

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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placement and Jiang's suggestion, then talk about those or make a new suggestion of your own. --

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I'm updating the list using option #1 above (adding leaders for the states I know a bit about).

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In the future, please CHECK your spellings before replicating them across a hundred pages!! --

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Someone must know whether "Xth Century" is an exception to our rule about caps in headings...

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Why not "List of heads of state and government"? "Governmental leaders" is a lot more vague.

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So have no useful information about Switzerland, instead of having partial useful information.

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foreign control. Or semi-sovereign rulers of areas theoretically part of the Ottoman Empire.

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I say we adopt the same format used by year articles: list every single year individually to

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I would accept that, but what about just "List of state leaders?" Brevity is a good thing. -

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on whether we should use "Middle East" as a separate heading! -- ] 02:53, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

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As a general rule they should do though I am sure there are plenty that at present do not.

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Do we want the separate North and South Americas (2003) or the single category (1816)? --

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You wrote that I don't seem to care to discuss my VIEWS about these articles not needing

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and then easily find the leaders for any desired year. Did that answer your question?

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This century should now be mostly complete, except for parts of the following lists:

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Do the articles for each year include both heads of state AND heads of governments?

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As we all know, this article is way too long. There are several possible solutions:

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User talk:Colonies Chris/Archive/2011/Jun#Update on Lists of state leader by years?

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for my current status. Right now im wondering from which year i should include the

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Remove all of them in the itnerests of consistency. Either they all stay or all go.

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goes back to 3200 BC so that would be a reasonable starting point for the lists. --

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to the hide and show feature on the template. However, i now know what you mean. -

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The "lDe" is small l - capital D - small e, NOT capital I - capital D - small e.

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leaders. Well, I have explained my opinion at length on your own talkpage (see:

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My own personal priorities for date formatting would be as follows (in order):

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should still be listed as King of Bulgaria since he never legally abdicated...

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like this). I'd move it, but I'm not really sure where to put it. Ideas? --

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Also, ideally the official titles that appear after the names will be links:

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Hey guys, ive been working pretty hard on this project for a while now. See

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to. Reverted to version prior to red links being removed, after discussion.

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leaders since 1945. I began with this project, but i got too much bored.--

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The Japanese puppet government in China during WW2 should be added too. --

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keeps insisting that we "Do not add leaders in exile since they weren't

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So, what does everyone think about this? -- ] 06:34, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

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Why isn't the Soviet Union in the Head of State timeline 1922-1991? --

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Of course it would be much easier if wiki does allow dynamic pages ;)

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Prime Minister - Lamine Sidimé, Prime Minister of Guinea (1999-2004)

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Sovereign States that span geographic regions, and how to list them

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article. How is this different from what the King of Sweden does?

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that should be followed. Sometimes a real ruler does not have any

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I totally agree about the extra dates, especially considering the

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/List of state leaders in 3150 BC

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Knowledge talk: WikiProject Leaders by year#Vote on Middle East

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person, the President of the Confederation is ok. -- User:Docu

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Whether Taiwan is part of China depends on the definition of "

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hurt anything, but I apologize for the misleading summaries.

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President - Lansana Conté, President of Guinea (1984-present)

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What is the criteria for including a non-sovereign entity? --

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b) they aren't even present in the country or are in prison?

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Many thanks for your help. :) -- ] 13:10, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

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List of national leaders in XXXX - nation is an awkward term

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Argh!!! I just realized that someone has spelled the names

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The Communist party leaders of such countries were usually

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nation there are links that all go to the same page, like

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State leaders by year (20th century BC - 11th century BC)

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I quite like the bolding of country names as was done on

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That's a good question, and while I know nothing of the

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Thanks for the suggestion it looks better without them.

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wrong on EVERY SINGLE PAGE from the year 680 to 785!!

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Emperors of Tibet (and general comment about spelling)

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so as to order the table of contents chronologically?

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The way some of the list are done sugggests he is the

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a) they don't exercise control over their country and

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Why list the positions twice? The following will do:

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Knowledge:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Political_NPOV

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Deletion of this kind of list is being discussed at

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President of the United States in Congress Assembled

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State leaders by year (11th century - 20th century)

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Lamine Sidimé, Prime Minister of Guinea (1999-2004)

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List of heads of state and government in XXXX- long

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