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You are acting biased by saying that it's not false. Are you implying that
Democratic politicians ARE members of MS-13? Even though I agree that the article is biased, there is NO evidence that proves that Democratic politicians are in fact affiliated with MS-13. (By the way, if you are referring to
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Clearly, this section is not about MS-13. However, that isn't saying that it is useless information. The section could be branched off into a new article called "Use of Gangs in
Political Discourse". The problem with this would be that it would end up as an absolutely terrible article, being a stub
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I came to this article with little background information about MS-13, just yesterday. As I read through it, I thought, "This article doesn't seem NPOV in places where it mentions
President Trump." Not that I disagree with the points about Trump making statements that may lack evidence, but the way
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Women are not talked much in gangs, but they do play a similar role to the men in MS-13. Each female is treated equally along with the men and are expected to take on the role of being in a gang. They are expected to perpetrate, commit violence, wear men’s clothing, all while handling the outside
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Perhaps the author of this comment could provide evidence that "weak immigration enforcement or sanctuary city policies contribute to MS-13 activity". Since they state that their concern is the lack of sources, I assume they are in a position to provide their own sources lest their comment be
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I've marked this article NPOV. I don't think that this article in general and the lead in specific are places to talk about the current administration and their opponents' rhetoric on the subject. Those would go better on some more directly related page to the current presidency.
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I am a free Lance writer writing a promo piece for new movie Sound of
Freedom, an action drama based on true story of Tim Ballard who has dedicated his life to rescuing sexually trafficked children as young as 3 - 5 years. Far more serious than most people realize. Thanks!
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American, but I was reading some news about MS13 and wanted to see what Wiki says about the gang. This Knowledge article is totally biased! It says “trump falsely...” Come on, you think the world is that stupid. I come to read facts, not opinions. Please edit!
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I agree that Trump and the GOP don't belong in the lede (undue weight, too recent). Regarding the section "Republican Party discourse", I wish this section or another had more to say of Democrats' discourse, or notation of lack of discourse if they lack such.
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All web search results for this claim go to links copying the Knowledge page. The linked citation goes to a family guy clip about Peter Griffin joining a gang on a make-your-own newsfeed site. This is obviously vandalism, and should be removed.
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The entire section regarding Trump's claims is full of weasel-wording and conjecture, and should be cleaned up. Terms like "alleged" would be better than "falsely accused", etc...
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Actually, on further research, it seems that this event did happen. The citation should still be changed to not a family guy clip. Also, the event happened in 2008 and not 2011.
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This whole section is unsourced and total liberal claptrap. The fact that this article is restricted and this section left up is an embarrassment to Knowledge.
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