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more redundancy than a cruise ship. Whereas cruise ship's redundancy ensures "safe return to port", a PSV needs redundancy so that dynamic positioning capability is retained even if any single propulsion unit (DP level 2) or any single compartment (DP level 3) is lost. As for your source, it's natural that a
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I was confused by mentions of generators, engines and motors. I now understand that the engines act as the generators to produce the electric power some of which the motors consume to propel the ship. I really appreciate the way you guys have gone about clarifying the article and providing sources
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I stand corrected. The source states that "each father-and-son pair drives a highly skewed Lips CP propeller via a Renk Tacke low-noise gearbox which also serves a 4200kW shaft alternators operating as propulsion motors", meaning that it has exactly the kind of PTI/PTO system I described above for
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She has four MAN 32/44CR series main diesel generators: two 9-cylinder engines rated at 5,040 kW (6,760 hp) and two 12-cylinder engines producing 6,720 kW (9,010 hp) each. This power plant produces electricity for all shipboard consumers, including two 7,250-kilowatt (9,720 hp) electric propulsion
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Did some light c/e to clarify this paragraph and added the Sea-web reference. The database entry for machinery overview reads "4 diesel electric oil engines driving 2 generators each 5,040kW 6,600V a.c. 2 generators each 6,720kW 6,600V a.c. connected to 2 electric motors of (7,250kW) driving 2 FP
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