2964:'consistency check'.) Yes, both share a 90 degree angle, but clearly the angles RBO and QCO are NOT equal! (nor, of course are angles ROB and QOC.) I guess the "hidden fallacy" is assuming that BOQ and COR are (straight) lines (line segments). They're not. (Depending on how the fallacy is set up, you could also propose/pretend that the perpendicular line from AC to B (and also from AB to C) intersects at O, which it doesn't (generally).) I find it hard to believe that this has been allowed to exist for 12 (plus?) years! I keep going over the thing, and ...nope, Line #7 does NOT follow from any preceding line, nor is it correct. Segments BR and CQ aren't (necessarily) equal, nor are angles BOR and COQ. Segments BO and CO are equal, since O is on the perp. bisector. So we have two triangles with one (90°) angle and one (opposite) side equal. So what? What follows line 7 is utter rubbish, by the way. This needs a rewrite, and this time I politely suggest it be coherently written by someone who understands middle-school geometry.
367:, and judging by what I just archived, alot of the stuff in this article is exactly that. Surely, some of the fallacies are notable in their commonalities (dividing or multiplying by zero, using multivalued complex functions incorrectly), but these things should be discussed briefly in an encyclopedic fashion. They shouldn't be accumulation points for a giant collection of invalid deductions. This is on my mental to-do list, and I may start cutting redundant or unnecessary things from the article, so if anyone wants to help or contribute their thoughts, I'd encourage you to do so. I'd be more than happy if someone else did some of the work here or contributed their ideas about what should happen to this article. --
2530:. However, the derivative of a function of integer argument is not defined (in the naive calculus sense, at least) because the integers are not interior points (of the set of integers). So we don't even get to the point where it is possible to apply the differentiation rule for sums. As PST points out, there are generalizations of the derivative that do make sense. An alternative analysis might run something like this: "equality of two functions evaluated at integer points does not imply equality of the derivatives." But I think that this is less clear, since the function is a priori only defined for integer arguments: there is no canonical way to "interpolate" it.
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subtle errors, and how subtle alterations may be necessary (and in this case, the proof cannot be fixed). If you defend your revert here, it is certainly possible to restore your edit. However, conforming to WP guidelines, once an editor has challenged an edit (by reverting), the person behind the challenged edit must defend the edit (and reach consensus) before adding it back. Generally in
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5015:... and the divide by zero is invoked, so to speak, by having a disguised zero = zero in line 3, i.e. false or irrelevant logic e.g. a fallacy, this is then on-sold by factoring ((needlessly in reality) before dividing. Surely getting a bad expression past the reader (the student, fallacy target etc. not wiki reader here) is the actual invoking of the fallacy condition. Happy to learn, hence re-visiting, cheers
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proof that 1=0 as an exercise. In my experience these sorts of things do make it as "interesting" exercises in basic texts on grade school algebra and introductory calculus. Of course, I agree with the previous comments that the current article is heavily redundant, and more or less not encyclopedic in its current form. I think a few good examples can be lifted and put into a more general article.
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has to do is find a book or paper or newspaper article or something that says something and reference that if other people disagree with something being included. Verifiability does not mean everything needs a citation in the article - but it does mean that if anyone disagrees and thinks something needs a citation they can remove the stuff if a citation can't be found in a reasonable time see
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another. Moreover, the templates at the top of the page indicate that (1) much of the content is not encyclopedic (and so should logically be removed), and (2) that the article requires cleanup. I assume that you disagree with these, but you seem to be in the minority. My purpose is to completely rewrite the article from sources: in particular, this will establish appropriate context for
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exact same thing. That's, by my estimation, half or a third of the article. I believe with a little effort, this article can be substantially tidied. I would, however, raise my concerns now that this article isn't encyclopedic as it stands. Nothing in this article is verifiable, it's simply an anecdotal collection of all those impossible "proofs" that kids hear in math class. Like they say,
2569:, the phrase "proof is false" is at best confusing. I suggest something along the lines of "proof is faulty", "demonstration fails" (to convince), "argument is invalid", i. e. concentrate on showing that there is a flaw in the argument, rather than pointing to the conclusion's truth value. Proof is generally understood to imply validity, an invalid argument loses its proofness.
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be deduced that one third of one is not 3.3 recurring, but a very slightly different number, or that three thirds of one isnt one, a paradox. This cannot be applied to numbers divisible by three i.e. 9. One third of nine is three. Three times three is nine. However one third of 100 is in fact 33.3 recurring, and 33.3 recurring times three 99.9 recurrring. Phew! Maths.
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The fallacy as illustrated by the original example is commonly discussed with extraneous solutions. I agree this article should not be an endless list of fallacies, but rather it should address the notion, and types of common fallacies. Extraneous solution is such an important type that should not be
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I just want to say that I agree that this is not a kind of article I'm proud of having in wikipedia. On the other hand, I don't see what can be done, either. Reading the thread above, this seems like a long-time problem, and no one figured out how to solve it. Maybe someone does! (I would concentrate
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This article primarily consists of (unreferenced) examples of false proofs (for which there is no hope of ever supplying references). There is no shortage of published accounts of individual mathematical fallacies from which to draw, if necessary. But the article simply cannot be an endless account
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WolfKeeper mentioned that he "strongly suspects it is quite referenceable to maths textbooks". I think this is likely to be somewhat true, especially if the article is merged to a mathematical fallacy article. For instance, I believe
Stewart's calculus contains the "+C" indefinite/definite integral
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At the very least, if we keep this we should get rid of the "Proof that 2+2=5" style section headings. They convey no useful information about what happens in the sections; once one has "derived" a falsehood, it is trivial and arbitrary how one cleans up that falsehood to arrive at a more spectacular
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Yes, there is a "disguised" 0=0 in lines 3 and 4, but there is no fallacy because indeed 0=0. The action of factoring out (a-b) is not irrelevant. On the contrary, it is necessary as a preparation for the actual fallacy of dividing by zero, which happens in line 5. And of course, also note that what
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I have removed the addition again. It referenced another
Knowledge article - one without any references. That other problems exist is no reason to start sticking in more when other people disagree. This article really has had too much uncited stuff stuck into it and needed to be cleaned up. What one
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As I'm leaving, I challenge the readers of this article to find a "proper" reference for the original example of "3=0" and have this example included back into this page, because the
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Construct a rectangle ABCD. Now identify a point E such that CD = CE and the angle DCE is a non-zero angle. Take the perpendicular bisector of AD, crossing at F, and the perpendicular bisector of AE, crossing at G. Label where the two perpendicular bisectors intersect as H and join this point to A,
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There's no shortage of cool fallacies out there, many of them in published books. That's kind of my point. This article isn't a book on the subject of mathematical fallacies, and our purpose isn't to emulate them. Instead, it's an encyclopedia article about mathematical fallacies. So I think the
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The page has been moved, and I have rewritten the lead section. I have also cut six of the examples for various reasons. I'm not too worried about "original research" in the article, since most of the ideas involved are at least a century old, and the generation of a fresh example from a traditional
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Both are right; you get to pick your poison. If you work with a square root function defined only on the non-negative reals the error is where
Pokipsy points at. But it is not uncommon either to work with a square root that is defined for all complex numbers but discontinuous along the negative real
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Ha! "Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed." I love it. OK, let's verify the invalid proofs. Seriously though, mathematical proofs (including, as here, proofs that certain proofs are invalid) should stand by themselves; it's useful to know who wrote about them first, or before, but the
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What, like a complex analysis textbook will explain how the square root is really "multi-valued"? Or an algebra book will explain that the 0 of a ring has no inverse? These joke proofs circulate on message boards and people show each other, but they have little value and I doubt they are laid out in
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I came across this article while searching for a "sophisticated proof" of 1=0, and found the original section "x cubed =1" perfect in that regard. Having realized that the original statement didn't convey what the fallacy intends to convey, I contributed a modification. However, my contribution was
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I think you're taking this article too seriously. We should have a category 'recreational mathematics' on
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The first sentence: "Functions that are multivalued have poorly defined inverse functions over their entire range." is false. For example a vertical line is a multivalued function because for the given value of x there are infinitely many value of y. The inverse of a vertical line is a horizontal
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Could the fact that three mathematical thirds of one isnt in fact one but 9.9 recurring be included in the article, since it is very simplistic. 9.9 recurring is infinitely close, but as infinity is a destination and not a fixed point, it is not equal to one. If this logic applied correctly, it can
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article). Then, rather than laying out as a series of "proofs" followed by "the fallacy here is that ..." explanations, it could be categorised by types of fallacy, with an explanation of each followed by an illustrative example "proof". That way it might seem more like an encylopedia article. Matt
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I think you misread the meaning of facts in this context. WP writes about facts as in well known existing terms/notions/phenomenons/concepts/etc and not as in writing only about things, which are scientifically proven to exist. Those invalid proofs exists as philosophical concepts, religious terms,
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I hate to say it, but this article is a complete mess. It contains a substantial amount of redundant content. Square roots produce 1=-1 because they can be multivalued. So do fourth roots, or 3/2 powers, or 3/2 powers of things that are equal to -1 but obfuscated. We don't need five examples of the
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Division by zero, show me any number where the expression does not come back to 0 = 0, there is none, zero then populates line 4 to factor zero and line 5 to reduce/divide by zero, if we are going to use this example it needs to be correct and shown so that non-math people can
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from MAA Online for a discussion of how Euler himself was misled into believing the result for the real numbers since mathematics at the time lacked a definition of convergence. Since the result is false for the standard metric, but true for the 2-adic metric, this example may be too subtle for a
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In the explanation of the "proof" that 2\pi = 0 the text states that the arcsin is a infinitely mulitvalued function. This is also false. The arcsin function is a single valued function. Given any value of x, arcsin(x) is a number between -\pi/2 and \pi/2. This means that arcsin(sin(x)) only
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WOW! 12 years later and this section is in gross error! Specifically: Line 7 in the "proof" claims that the two triangles BOR and COQ are congruent! LMFAO!! Simple inspection of the accompanying diagram shows they are not. (Not that that means much, but still your first clue ought to be a visual
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If your attitude is simply to revert any good faith effort to reform the article, then I see no way that progress can possibly be made. There is a clear and obvious consensus on this very discussion page that there are too many examples, and that many of the examples are almost exactly like one
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I am sure that you are editing with good faith, but your two most recent edits were not appropriate. One of the (false) proofs your deleted was an attempt to correct another similar proof, and should be included in the article. This example is a particularly basic instance of how proofs can have
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I have put citation needed on all the proofs without any citation. I think asking for a citation is a good way of cutting down the proofs to those which people though were worth printing and might help to remove errors. I will have a look at providing citations for some which I know I've seen in
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There isn't anything particularly twisted about the validity of the convergence of this series to -1 under the 2-adic metric. In fact it is a rather pedestrian result and a standard preliminary example in texts on the p-adic numbers (see Gouvea, "p-adic
Numbers", 1997). It is fallacious for the
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Yes, there is a fundamental tension between a "clean" invalid proof (where the fallacy is laid bare, like dividing by zero) and an invalid proof where it's not obvious what's gone wrong. (For example here, you could even use "S = 1+1+1+...".) But anyway, I concur with what you're saying -- the
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Another vote for renaming this to 'mathematical fallacy'. In fact, I came across this article because I was looking for a reference on logic, not (non)algebra. I also concur that the section headings should be re-named, and perhaps each fallacy could be done (only) twice: once in an 'obscured'
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I agree: the encyclopedic content is the list of common fallacies, ideally with sources. What we can prove with them is interesting but secondary material to illustrate their use. Of course, statements like 2=1, 3=0 etc. are equivalent because given any one of them as an axiom, the rest can be
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Now this begs the question why Sławomir kept removing such a common example of fallacy from this article, given there has been other section in the article without a reference. I don't have the answer, but I hope it is not to try to avoid the embarrassment of, as a regular of this article, not
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I understand the need to police the page. However, by looking at the history of the article, it is not the case that the article had a history of being vandalized previously. After all, this is a small article compared with most
Knowledge articles. Even if the section is not perfect, would the
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The error in the proof comes in the diagram and the final point. An accurate diagram would show that the triangle ECH is a reflection of the triangle DCH in the line CH rather than being on the same side, and so while the angles DCH and ECH are equal in magnitude, there is no justification for
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I think it would be nice if somebody could clean up the inappropriate "Q.E.D."s that have been used all over the place. For example by making them appropriate by stating up front what is going "to be demonstrated". It would make things a lot more readable and as well as not look so illiterate.
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Excellent job on the lead. The title of the article should probably be "mathematical fallacy" in the singular, rather than the plural of "mathematical fallacies", per
Knowledge's typical naming conventions, but otherwise I strongly support the new title. I agree with most (if not all) of the
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There are too many examples of essentially the same thing. I propose that some effort should be made to give sources for things, and ultimately when a source is found to be lacking, content should be removed. (A better place for a lot of the article is Wikibooks. Maybe someone could move it
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in line 5", suggests that the fallacy started before line 5. It didn't. I think that non-math people deserve precision, so I reverted your edit because of this sloppiness, and because the original wording was correct and sufficient. There were no errors or fallacies in lines 3 and 4, and your
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While we are certainly free to redefine things in any way that suits us, as long as we stick to conventional mathematics, the meaning of a finite sum is fairly unambiguous. In fact, most professional mathematicians are probably scarcely aware of the existence of the fractional calculus. So,
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point is one that could be made of pretty much the entire article, by the way. So far I think I am the only editor who has made any systematic effort to source the claims of the article. At any rate, the OR issue in this particular case is not serious, since the fallacy itself appeared in a
4591:. We can quibble over the semantics of the best way to lay out the fallacy then, but I still firmly believe that the original version was better than your proposed one. Your proposed version makes no mention whatsoever of complex numbers. Nowhere does it say that the two non-real roots of
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Judging by the main page on this series this actually has some twisted mathematical merit to it. At any rate the current objection to the proof is "you don't use a convergence formula on something that doesn't converge", but the s=1+2s manipulation yields this without assuming anything about
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I have just made a number of minor edits to deal with this. In doing so I found that the entries with inappropriate QEDs were invariably lacking a citation. For this and other reasons there is more scope for cleaning up for somebody who has the time. It is a nice collection of examples.
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here is what is meant by "derivative with respect to x", further implying the question of what x's domain is intended to be. I daresay that the majority of readers will imply "naive" calculus and real numbers, respectively, but without some serious evaluation, that is just an educated
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People write books with 'mathematical fallacy' in the title. They don't write ones about 'invalid proof'. The better common name for the topic is mathematical fallacy. As described in the lead there's a lot more to being a mathematical fallacy than it simply being an invalid proof.
963:. However i do consider the content (posssibly modified) of encyclopaedic value in the sense of listing typical (and well known) mathematical fallacies. And as mentioned above you can find at least some (or most?) examples in literature as well. One example would be Heuser's
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I think that's backward. The text does indeed explain that BOR and COQ are congruent by hypotenuse-leg equality; but it asserts without proof that the hypotenuses are equal, and they aren't. This is actually quite clear from the diagram. The real error is trusting the
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I seem to have mislaid the old book I was going to look in "Riddles in Mathematiics' by Eugene P Northop. If itr is the one I was thinking of it has a number of interesting fallacies in it plus puzzles like the one about the probable length of a chord of a circle.
2689:": Sorry, but first and foremost, they are expressions. You may use these expressions to define functions, of course, but doing so constitutes a choice not implicit in the text of the argument. Of course, you could avail yourself to the argument directly above. ;)
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You are right; none of these things appear to have encyclopedic value in themselves. A few of them might make sense as examples in an article about mathematical fallacies in general, but they would need to be subordinate to a general discussion of such fallacies.
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Now, AH=DH because FH is a perpendicular bisector; similarly BH = CH. AH=EH because GH is a perpendicular bisector, so DH = EH. And by construction BA = CD = CE. So the triangles ABH, DCH and ECH are congruent, and so the angles ABH, DCH and ECH are equal.
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in a case where the bounds of summation are not independent of the differentiation variable. I do not know how the current section meshes with the texts it cites, and whether these sources are really relevant here, but this needs to be addressed. Regards,
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I'm going to tag all the sections in this article. If they're not referenced within 3 months, then they're probably never going to be, and so they will be removed. I'm also not going to allow any new sections to be added unless they're referenced.-
613:(unindent) My biggest concern is that this is essentially one big piece of original research, and we'd do best to simply cite a couple of well-known and commonly mistaken "proofs", rather than do the infinite number of ways of "proving" 1=-1.
2692:"don't even get to the point where it is possible to apply the differentiation rule for sums": I see what you're getting at, but as I think I've shown above, that would only be true under assumptions not implicit in the text. Would "in a case
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There's been a number of books on mathematical fallacies and I think it should be straightforward enough to provide citations for most of the article. The references at the end aren't just published false proofs, they are books on fallacies.
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After a few days of trying to contribute and make this article a little better (it is already great), I'm leaving this article and will stop modifying it again simply because I don't have enough time to deal with the ongoing events.
4382:, and left the stub section header in, in the hopes that it would encourage someone with sources to add those. We don't need more uncited stuff in this article. What we need are more reliable sources on mathematical fallacies.
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I have fixed the issue you point out. The cited source isn't clear on where the error lies. I disagree with your proposed analysis of the fallacy, however. Each side of the equation is a well-defined function of the integer
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square(-a) = square(a) x square(-1) square(-a) = a^2 x 1 root(a^2) = a squareroot on a number give a possitive awnser. The logic written in the "paradox" is used in equations because in equations you are "reverse-engeneering"
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1129:=1, and hence the series fails the convergence criterion. The validity of the result under the p-adic metric should be relegated to an afterthought. I'll see if I can find a reference which has free online access. pAddict--
2754:. The derivative (in what amounts to a "naive" calculus interpretation) is defined for functions, not expressions. Is the line between expression and function really so sharp that anyone is likely to be confused by this?
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question we need to address is: what do we put in it? It's clear (to me at least) that it shouldn't just be a laundry list of fallacies sorted by topic. Otherwise we would look like the already excellent
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page on mathematical fallacies, and the best course of action may be to remove it. At the very least, this section should state that this is a fallacy under the standard metric since lim_{n-: -->
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convergence, or at least not explicitly. This seems rather out of place in this page along with all the ha-ha-gotcha-we-divided-by-zero stuff and whatnot. --
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2493:
2479:endless litany
2451:
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2447:
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2444:
2426:
2425:
2399:71.182.236.206
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2257:
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2211:
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2170:
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2156:
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2146:
2141:
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2132:
2101:
2100:
2086:
2081:
2075:
2069:
2066:
2042:
2041:
2028:
2025:
2022:
2019:
2003:
2002:
1989:
1986:
1981:
1976:
1973:
1968:
1963:
1958:
1953:
1926:
1923:
1918:
1913:
1900:
1899:
1885:
1880:
1877:
1871:
1865:
1862:
1857:
1844:
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1699:
1696:
1670:
1669:About radicals
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1666:
1665:
1626:
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1600:
1597:
1585:83.176.244.236
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1390:
1387:
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1378:
1375:
1372:
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1299:
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1072:
1069:
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1040:
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1026:
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1007:
1004:
987:
984:
957:
956:
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936:
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934:
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911:
910:
883:
882:
738:
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670:84.174.254.199
611:
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549:
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468:
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391:
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359:
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145:Mid-importance
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99:
83:
71:
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68:Mid‑importance
56:
44:
43:
37:
26:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
5233:
5222:
5219:
5217:
5214:
5212:
5209:
5207:
5204:
5202:
5199:
5197:
5194:
5192:
5189:
5188:
5186:
5179:
5178:
5174:
5170:
5167:
5163:
5155:
5153:
5152:
5146:
5142:
5134:
5130:
5125:
5118:
5114:
5112:
5111:
5107:
5103:
5099:
5096:
5090:
5082:
5077:
5073:
5067:
5061:
5053:
5049:
5045:
5041:
5036:
5035:
5034:
5033:
5032:
5031:
5026:
5022:
5018:
5017:121.99.108.78
5014:
5009:
5006:
5005:
5003:
5000:
4999:
4998:
4994:
4990:
4985:
4981:
4977:
4973:
4972:
4971:
4970:
4966:
4962:
4961:121.99.108.78
4957:
4951:Line 3 = zero
4950:
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4933:
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4915:
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4909:
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4903:
4897:
4896:Invalid proof
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4887:
4886:
4882:
4878:
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4855:
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4844:
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4462:Parting words
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4288:
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4282:
4279:
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4273:
4268:
4264:
4256:
4255:
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4234:
4211:
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4199:
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4172:
4169:
4166:
4159:
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4132:
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4120:
4119:
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3210:
3205:
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3201:
3200:
3195:
3191:
3187:
3181:
3176:
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3170:
3166:
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3157:
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3155:
3154:
3150:
3146:
3140:
3136:
3132:
3128:
3117:
3116:
3112:
3108:
3107:67.142.166.22
3102:
3095:
3091:
3087:
3083:
3078:
3077:
3076:
3075:
3071:
3067:
3058:
3046:
3042:
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3033:
3032:
3031:
3027:
3023:
3019:
3015:
3011:
3010:
3009:
3005:
3001:
2989:
2985:
2984:
2983:
2982:
2981:
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2971:
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2966:98.21.219.152
2962:
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2778:
2774:
2773:
2772:
2771:
2770:
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2753:
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2716:
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2708:
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2699:
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2684:
2680:
2679:
2678:Gretchenfrage
2674:
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2642:
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2404:
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2392:
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2377:invalid proof
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2321:
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2255:
2251:
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2239:
2234:
2231:
2227:
2223:
2209:
2205:
2201:
2197:
2196:
2195:
2194:
2190:
2186:
2183:Am I right?--
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1659:
1655:
1651:
1650:
1649:
1647:
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1638:82.39.116.172
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1172:
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1165:
1161:
1157:
1153:
1144:
1140:
1136:
1132:
1131:164.76.72.206
1125:
1121:
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1109:
1105:
1101:
1097:
1090:
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1088:
1087:
1083:
1079:
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1058:
1057:not-just-yeti
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944:not-just-yeti
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888:
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828:
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17:
5164:in light of
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4983:
4979:
4954:
4936:
4929:
4889:
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4858:
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4826:
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4794:
4791:
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40:WikiProjects
4942:move review
4864:move review
3016:O actually
2925:—Preceding
2869:—Preceding
2752:red herring
2347:—Preceding
2323:let x = -a
2293:let x = -a
1632:—Preceding
1605:—Preceding
1579:—Preceding
1546:—Preceding
1523:—Preceding
1169:Wait, What?
1094:—Preceding
993:JackSchmidt
797:) for some
753:76.67.98.29
698:—Preceding
583:WP:NOT#TEXT
524:WP:NOT#TEXT
265:Mathematics
256:mathematics
212:Mathematics
30:Start-class
5185:Categories
4956:user:DVdm
4902:Petr Matas
4835:Report bug
4731:OK, got it
3127:the notion
3082:AlexFekken
3066:AlexFekken
2844:Paradoctor
2785:Paradoctor
2707:Paradoctor
2512:Paradoctor
2327:x² = (-a)²
2297:x² = (-a)²
1939:to obtain
1625:Suggestion
1156:Wolfkeeper
779:one-to-one
684:verifiable
570:WolfKeeper
490:WolfKeeper
432:WolfKeeper
400:WolfKeeper
120:Philosophy
109:philosophy
59:Philosophy
5089:cite book
4984:completed
4818:this tool
4811:this tool
4738:. Made a
4734:, thanks
2705:Regards,
2338:√x² = √a²
2185:pokipsy76
668:proofs.--
334:Archive 1
5102:NadVolum
5062:Northrop
4877:Dekimasu
4824:Cheers.—
2927:unsigned
2871:unsigned
2867:Thanks
2775:I think
2349:unsigned
2308:x² = √a²
2200:Secretss
1654:0.999...
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1537:contribs
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712:contribs
700:unsigned
637:Cheeser1
528:Cheeser1
451:Cheeser1
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321:Archives
4771:my edit
3889:then
3059:Q.E.D.?
2801:Cleanup
2383:there?)
2335:x² = a²
2329:x² = -a
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1658:Zundark
1566:1 != -1
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1100:Raekuul
1078:AceMyth
1046:Lambiam
1012:Oboeboy
906:fallacy
887:Dominus
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688:Lambiam
666:invalid
292:on the
147:on the
4980:occurs
4740:change
4736:Google
4695:9. By
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3364:Then:
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1783:Apply
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923:Certes
833:× 0 =
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481:beyond
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5040:valid
4681:By HL
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3013:text.
2745:WP:OR
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186:Logic
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