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Anthony brought up, I don't consider myself more qualified to speak than the two of you. Mawla is singular; mawali is plural. But does Arabic broken plural have a separate rule, or is a plural a plural? I'm inclined toward the latter simply because exceptions to
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It should be stated that the term "Mawali" is also the common name of a large
Bedouib tribe of mixed ethnic ancestry that dominated parts of central Syria during the Ottoman era and who were still active during French rule. I'll start an article on the tribe soon. I support moving this article to
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Skimming search results in Google books shows that the term mawali is much more commonly used in the sense covered by this article, so I think an article about the Mawali tribe should be called "Mawali (tribe)", and "mawali" should continue to redirect here with a "for" message at the top.
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I think it depends on the scope of the article. The word mawla has different meanings (Encyclopedia of Islam 2nd ed has a long article about them) and the predominant association for the singular seems to be the
Quranic usage in the sense of "lord" (best known outside of Arabic in the form
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the rules make me uneasy, so take my cautious opinion for what it is. Although...is it possible to run a search to see which term appears more often in
English-language academic publications? And if it is possible, would that be relevant?
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