Talk:Maynard James Keenan/Archive 2

2861:(Fan runs up for a hug at 2 minutes in. Maynard body slams him, pins him to the ground, gets him on his stomach, gets on his back, rides him like a bull for a moment, hangs out for while, sort of uh... rides him a bit more, I guess you could say, all while singing in a pair of boxers.) Awesome video. Pretty well-known among Tool fans, though I don't think this ever made the papers. I seriously doubt charges were filed. No harm was done to the guy. There was also no choking. No cord around his neck. There was, I suppose, a threat of clawing his throat out, but come on... it was just song lyrics! Seriously, though. Not really a big deal. Just great entertainment value. 3710:

sources in full, I am of the opinion that these are valuable opinions worthy of inclusion, their conclusions having merit. Others may, like you, disagree with me; however, at this stage, the article has passed through multiple review processes to become a feature article and to be placed on the main page at one point. During each of these review process, the claim that he is a noted recluse was present in the article, and thus a significant number of experienced editors found no issue with the claim. There is certainly opportunity for further discussion to determine if others believe it should be changed, but I continue to believe it is accurate.

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to gain insights into his personality by interviewing not only himself but his family, colleagues, long time friends etc. as opposed to basing their opinion on a one-off encounter (as presumably these journalists have - having not read them I admit I may not be giving them due credit). All one can really conclude is that MJK has a tendency to interact with (perform for?) journalists in a particular way. Does that make him a noted recluse?

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and "Philanthropy" sections under one heading covering his non-musical activities. This would leave a clearer table of contents, I think: Early life, Music career, Writing and performance style, *new heading*, Personal life. This covers the basic biographical areas I think: where he came from, what he has done music-wise, his style as a performer, other activities and personal background. Thoughts?

3342:* 1 Early life * 2 Music career o 2.1 Tool o 2.2 A Perfect Circle o 2.3 Puscifer o 2.4 Writing and performance style * 3 o Comedy and acting o Winemaking and other endeavors o Philanthropy * 4 Personal life * 5 Selected discography * 6 Notes and references * 7 External links 3339:(entrepreneurship). However, I think it would be more appropriate to come up with a similar heading to "Music career" to cover these things, though I'm not sure what to call it, making the above subsections like the band names. Also, to move Writing and performance style under the music career heading. Would look something like the following: 1487:

cameos. As far as more relevant than his biographical info, I would say that I respectfully disagree. I think people visit an individuals page to read the bio of that individual, and the efforts for which he is notable seem to have good inclusion in this article. I'm open to a List of Appearances if that's of interest?

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Ah, sorry for misunderstanding your original suggestion. And I agree with you that it should not be exclusionary, but I too have no idea what to call it. It may have to come down to something like "Other endeavors" with the subsection potentially renamed to "Winemaking and entrepreneurship" or simply

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Good point. I actually discussed this with another editor last night. I think he's being facetious in the later interview. I mean, clearly he is in a joking mood with regard to saying he's not funny while intentionally being funny. He's known for his antics. I believe the article should stay as it is

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These "reliable sources" are newspapers and magazines, not works of serious biographers. However, I see your point on "verifiability" and from this point of view, I agree that he is indeed a "noted recluse". My question now is a wide-ranging one: when are the absurd opinions of journalists notable

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The vast majority of readers will know Keenan only because of his music, I suspect. As such, it might be a little much to have so many top-level sections devoted to his other activities. I propose that, without losing any content, we subsume the "Comedy and acting", "Winemaking and other endeavors",

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I reverted the MJK discog back to the last version as a standalone article and have updated it with the relevant chart information and tabled much of it. There is still some table work and cleanup to do to the selected collaborations sections, as well as a need for additional referencing. As for the

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After discussion with LaraLove on IRC, I think we need to adjust the sections. In their current condition, their is technically only one proper section, which makes up several sub and sub sub so-to-speak sections. I suggest maybe splitting the comedy performances up into one section, then doing each

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Hey, just an fyi, guys - I wasn't refering to LaraLove. I meant the author of the article she referenced. I *did* actually bother going to read it before posting my comment. Whoever wrote the article she cited didn't bother doing his/her reference too well, since they said that she died when Maynard

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1. There is considerable distinction between "recluse" and "reclusive tendencies" and had the article only referred to the latter I would never have had a quibble. 2. I am not aware of any existing biographies on Maynard James Keenan. However, were someone to begin writing one, I would expect them

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Sorry haven't been able to come up with a title. To clarify the initial proposal, I did not intend to merge comedy/acting/winemaking etc., but to have them as subsections of a new section, as you propose. It would be best to have a title that defined the scope of the section positively, rather than

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One would be hard pressed to make it relevant..."Keenan is a noted recluse...but does enjoy a good nap every now and then *image*!" Seriously though, while I haven't checked the EXIF data on that Flickr set, the low resolution and lack of information about the source suggests these images have been

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Maynard doesnt body slam the fan , he performs a form of martial arts body throw after offering the guy a hug , you can see the fan is loving it as he continues to pump his fist while being dominated by maynard , no charges would have been pressed , the fan wouldnt sue his obious idol , and maynard

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There are videos on Youtube where a fan ran onstage at a concert. Keenan threw him on the ground, put him in a chokehold, then mounted him and finished the song while dry-humping him and possibly having the mike cord wrapped around his neck. What came of this? Were there any charges filed on either

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The fact that he tours does not negate the fact that he's a recluse. He tends to perform near the back of the stage. When not performing, he's rarely out in public. He lives in a fairly remote home and pretty much no one is allowed in it. He gets anxious when anyone is in his personal space, which

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Mr. MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN (Vocalist, Tool): It does give you a sense of a little pat on the back. But I don't think that musicians are catering their content to win a Grammy, it just doesn't come happening unlike the Oscars, where, you know, a studio will particularly hone a film to get that Oscar.

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ROSE: But that may have as much to do with journalists needing an easy way to identify an artist as it does with the Grammys themselves. Awards like the Pulitzers and the Oscars are actively coveted in their fields. But three-time Grammy award winner Maynard James Keenan of the rock band Tool says

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As an encyclopedia, we write based on existing publications. Multiple such publications have noted him as being a recluse; thus, for our purposes, he is a noted recluse. Further, some of these sources, as cited, have gone into detail as to why he is, in their opinion, reclusive. Having read these

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Well, I figured it was good as it appeared to be an official blog of mtv.com, but I could be misunderstanding the association. If best to just remove it, as this is an FA, then I'm good with that, but I did think the video was a good add. As with you, it's not that important to me, so either way.

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Keenan has a dexterous, shape- shifting voice that gallantly balances Tool's articulate and heavy aesthetic, something fans will witness again when Tool plays the Pepsi Center on Wednesday. His voice is instantly recognizable, although sometimes he sounds like an aggravated Perry Farrell or a coy

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IF YOU TOOK ALL THE low-key loops from Tool's songs and strung them together, it might sound something like this D-side project from frontman Maynard James Keenan. The lyrics - delivered in a borderline sexy-creepy style that sometimes veers into Gregorian-chant territory- range from esoteric and

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This might be trying to say that Tool is doing a 2009 concert tour and Puscifier debuted in 2009, but I'm not really sure. Tool certainly didn't begin their summer tour in February. Also, the entire third paragraph is too long and has too many unimportant facts (for the lead, e.g. being at whole

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magazine of an interview of Maynard. During this interview, he explains that he doesn't like people to come in his home, his personal space, and that he won't speak to them while they're there. The journalist was, however, invited in to listen to some tracks from Puscifer's then-unreleased first

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I have a hard time with the idea that somehow Maynard James Keenan is a "noted recluse". "Recluse" tends to be a word used by the media to describe people who don't leap at the chance to be interviewed by a magazine or appear on TV every single time they're asked, etc. Just because a celebrity

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When talking about 10000 days this article says; "his mother is the inspiration for three tracks on the album." However, it only mentions wings for marie and 10000 days. So is this a typo, or is there a third track that just isn't mentioned? If its the latter, i think we should mention the third

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Keenan: They keep going, "Are you working on another Tool album?" I'm like a mother on a table. I'm, like, giving birth to a baby, and you're asking me if I'm going to have another baby. Not right now, probably. Don't really feel like having sex right now, I'm having a fucking baby. I'm out here

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Refs are only strictly needed for content that is disputed. I'm in two minds as to whether we should leave out the dodgy ref entirely and simply wait for RS's to comment on the issue; doing so would preserve the integrity of the article's references while depriving the reader of the video link.

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But the only opportunity we'd get to study or hear of this 'anxiety' is when the media documents it. How does the media document it? - Through them being present in his personal space. He gets nervous when journalists invade his personal space, that's all this proves. We can speculate that this

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The thing about it is that Maynard isn't a studio guy. He's showed up to sing a line in so many appearances it looks more like a trivia section. There is also a question of notability with several of those appearances. It's inevitably a list that will never be satisfied, as long as he is making

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I've put some thoughts into this and, personally, I'm opposed to combining these sections. For one, it becomes daunting to edit when the sections are so large. Also, there seems to be a clear enough distinguishment between comedy and acting (performance arts) and winemaking and other endeavors

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This isn't going to be able to happen. It's just too much going on concurrently. I attempted to restructure chronologically but it became very confusing and very difficult to create an sort of flow. I think that the current format is best for this particular biography considering the number of

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The band’s Knowledge (XXG) page states that Keenan met Tool guitarist Adam Jones through Rage Against the Machine shredder Tom Morello. “That is untrue,” says Jones, who went to high school with Morello in Libertyville, Illinois. “We played together in a band called the Electric Sheep. We were

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album. While there, Maynard did not speak until telling his guest it was time to leave. So while he does leave his home, tour with his bands, do signing sessions and such, he does have reclusive tendencies. These tendencies have been noticed and noted by multiple journalists in various

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Would somebody care to revert this section under Early Life? It's well documented that she passed away in 2003. He was eleven when she became partially paralyzed. The person who wrote the article that was cited is a pretty piss-poor writer if he doesn't bother to check his story.

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at the beginning it says originally born Maynard Herbert Keenan. Then under early life it says he adopted the name Maynard next to a photo of him listed as Keenan, James in the westpoint picture. who cares anyway? if we really cared about maynard's art this page wouldn't exist.

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Guitarist Adam Jones, bassist Justin Chancellor and drummer Danny Carey each toiled in a pool of light, yet Keenan "fronted" from the shadows near the rear of the stage, mumbling cryptically into a microphone or a bullhorn to parody the hectoring tone of police and politicians.

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includes his home, and he doesn't speak. I read hundreds of sources from bios to interviews during the time I wrote on this article, and they all detail pretty much the same personality. And that's one of a recluse. It's in the sources. Perhaps you would enjoy reading them.

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The definition of dissidence is "Disagreement, as of opinion or belief; dissent." The previous section of this sentence reads, "but declined an appointment to West Point and instead chose to pursue a music career due to disillusionment over his colleagues' points of view".

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Nor does Keenan hide his feelings of censorship. His MySpace page for Puscifer is aptly titled, "Censorship is a cancer," and even gives a personal disclaimer addressing possible complaints by stating that all "over-inflated expectations" should be checked at the door.

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Srsly, if we can work this quote in, just for the pure comedic affect, it must be done! In an MTV interview with Kurt Loder, Loder said "But Tool fans inevitably do want another Tool album, and some of them must resent your devoting all this time to A Perfect Circle."

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I do agree with UTC... MJK is not a recluse just because he does not go around talking about his private life. Like you said Lara, the sources express THEIR OPINION about MJK being a recluse and that is being bias. Being odd is not the same as being a recluse.

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Nevertheless, I'm not sure how notable performing at an improv night is; it seems sort of trivial. At the very least I think the discrepancy should be noted in the comedy section and the information about him being a stand up comedian taken out of the lead.

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Its members don't interact with the crowd - frontman Maynard James Keenan sings from the back of the stage, next to the drum riser, a silhouette largely hidden in the shadows. His stage banter consists of little more than "good evening" and "good night."

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I believe it's absolutely relevant that he did stand-up comedy on improv nights. I think his humor is an important aspect of his personality that we explain in the article. The fact that he's done stand-up that was said to be "inspiring" is an important

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I think more information should be included regarding Maynard's drug abuse and obsessions. Perhaps an entire new section should be created dedicated to the abnormalities that often accompanied his artistic streaks of genius... ? Just a suggestion. Elle

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Typically they are separate. It starts with the early life (pre-notability), leads into their career, followed up by the personal life, which is typically any non-career-related info and whatever they are currently doing. Keeps a chronological order.

1970:"In 2003, they eventually released a successful follow-up, titled Thirteenth Step, a reference to twelve-step programs (many of the songs were written from the perspective of recovery)" - Remove the brackets and reword (it isn't clear at the moment) 3409:

Actually, about the philanthropy section, it starts off by stating he's used his voice for several causes or whatever. It's it's entirely related to his music career, so it may be more appropriate to move it up under Writing and performance style.

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chooses to have a private life outside of the public eye doesn't mean they deserve to be called a recluse. A true recluse would not involve himself in the essentially collaborative activities of playing in a rock band or a winemaking business.

1039:"You guys ready for a funfilled evening filled with clowns and circus animals," joked Keenan, whose mohawk, lanky frame and sunglasses made him resemble Travis Bickle from the movie "Taxi Driver." Keenan almost completely shrouded in darkness. 2934:

I started a MJK discography at one point, in order to take it to FLC. The redundancy is what killed it. If you think it's something that wouldn't be shot down as redundant again, I'd be willing to help. Much of the work is already there. See

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Doesn't bother me. I think our time can be spent doing more productive things, and it happens that I can produce citations a lot faster in one way over the other. The wikimarkup is going to be confusing to read either way, but feel free.

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of September 25th, it claims his brith name was James Herbert Keenan, which is consistent with him enrolling at West Point under the name James Keenan and adopting the nickname "Maynard" while there. I don't see any discrepancy, do you?

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Sure, the lack of free images for APC means we can justify decorative quotes to break up the monotony of text. We should probably add something about fan and critical reaction to Tool's hiatus to put it in context though. I've added a

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selective discography now in this artilce, does it look good as it is or should I table it? I'm thinking a table would probably look better, but I'll get some input before going on with that, as I'm not sure it's a standard for FAs.

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Well, without a ref, the second is no go, and I've tried but failed to find one. As for the first, it's mentioned in the article, though I'm not sure the actual songs are mentioned. I'll look at putting this in after some sleep.

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in an exclusionary way (i.e. "Extramusical activities" or "Other endeavours"), but I can't put my finger on what it is that links comedy, acting, winemaking, food and philanthropy other than the fact that they're *not music*.

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It'd probably read better IMO as "Eventually, in 2003, they released a successful follow-up, titled Thirteenth Step, a reference to the twelve-step programs that many songs were written as a reference too." (or similar).

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I've noticed that some references in this article are in-line, and others using one line per parameter. I strongly recommend using either one or the other, as otherwise, it makes the article a lot more confusing to read.

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Grouping ref info for multiple refs into one makes for a very confusing note. Perhaps for those of say three or more in one, we can add a statement and bullet the refs as exampled in my most recent edit. Thoughts, ideas?

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I don't think making parenthetical notations disrupts the chronological flow. I also don't think it implies that the lyrics were inspired by the event, however, I do believe it adds relevant context. (Formerly LaraLove)

2621:. The claim that Keenan is reclusive is supported by the Burgess interview, currently reference number seven. If you dislike this, please feel free to find another reliable source which contradicts the claim. Regards, 1759:

I agree that it seems unnecessary to make this consistent. Some users prefer templates, while others, such as myself, prefer to do manual citations. It doesn't seem necessary to force it be done one way or another.

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jambi maybe? i heard that it was to do with him wishing away all of the fame and fortune and other "band stuff" to be with his mother. "if i could i'd wish it all away, if i thought tomorrow would take you away"

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As far as the lead, it serves as a good introduction to his friendship with Bill Hicks, which is certainly an important detail. Perhaps it should be reworded to remove the implication that he worked as a stand-up

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Do we know if this store was opened? If so, the prose could be better. Something such as "the opening of was announced on...". I haven't gotten any alerts about it, but I can search if no one else is certain.

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In looking over listed Featured Articles, I don't see lists like these. In fact, for musicians that are band members with solo careers on the side, they only list the discography of their solo career, see

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Oh, and the MTV article also mentions the incident where he wrestled a fan who tried to hug him to the ground. If the youtube video is not copyrighted (as it was fan shot from the concert) it's linkable.

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He is perceived as a recluse through media outlets. This is a site based on FACT, not how he is presented to us in some interview in which his words have been taken out of context and manipulated.

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I agree that the info should be included somewhere - it is both verifiable and informative to the reader. Is there any objections to adding the once-off/minor contribs to the discography article?

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WOAH!! Hot damn! I missed number 4. Even more cool... I hope this has been fixed. I'm so adding this to that article if it's not already there! Hahaaha. "4 THEY STRESS OVER THEIR WIKIPEDIA ENTRY

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Sorry if this has been discussed, I think I rememeber it being discussed months ago but do not remember what was decided. This is currently in the article (as well as a mention in the lead):

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With Keenan's voice floating through the song like tendrils off smoke, the tune proceeded from a meditative haze to a battery of power chords that could have registered on the Richter scale.

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have commented on the incident, it is of no interest to Knowledge (XXG). Personally, I haven't heard of this. Did you read through the Youtube comments? That might shed some light. Regards,

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Ah, thanks for the clarification, 71.234. And you should sign your posts even if you're not registered, as you did there, because it allows users to contact you via your talk page. Also, be

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Also, as far as signing posts goes, I haven't set up an account, as I only edit wikipedia on rare occasions. Sorry if anybody thought I was hiding or attacking other users. Peace to all...

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Note, I don't want to say that me being 'open' is my way of saying we can't put it back into the article. I was just making a suggestion. I'll go along with whatever consensus is. My bad.

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I think I remember someone saying this may be Keenan being a little circumspect or cute with his language. It's true, whatever the band states should be taken with a grain of salt--see

1036:--- Reading Eagle, Pa., Concert Review column: The rock quartet's pounding live show is like no other Jon Fassnacht. Knight Ridder Tribune Business News. Washington: Jul 18, 2007. pg. 1 3021:

That seems analogous to this situation: If someone wants to find out which album a non-single track by Tool is on, they have to look in 6 articles. Neither should really take minutes. –

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Include the info about the 1993 concert at the Church of Scientology’s Celebrity’s Centre where Maynard Baa-ed like a sheep for 20 minutes. The Blender article and another mention this.

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It's in their article. Tool has been given due weight, considering most of his adult life has been spent as a member of Tool. The past 18 years. APC was just formed in the last eight.

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The proof is that he goes on two year long tours! How does this not qualify as a reliable source when an interview that has probably edited Maynard James Keenan's responses, does?

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I'll work on the lead today. Of course, I'm just one opinion, so if others believe it should be removed or otherwise changed, that's certainly fine. Whatever consensus is reached.

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in its current state is redundant and the labels and release info don't seem pertinent enough. What I want to argue for is the inclusion of his other work from the diff I linked. –

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before finding what I was looking for. And I realise much of MJK's discography is here waiting to be plucked – I wouldn't have proposed this if I thought it would be hard work ;)

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Puscifer explores a fresh path on Keenan's creative genius, with a non-traditional form of making music and a style unlike anything A Perfect Circle or Tool have ever presented.

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The intro paragraphs are a bit confusing, and definitely worse than the version at which this article became featured. For example, I am not able to parse this into facts:

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A good encyclopaedia article (which otherwise, this is) should aim to demystify its subject and the line about being a noted recluse just does the opposite in my opinion.

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Plowing through. Good work so far, everyone! GA should be soon. A call for help from the LoC, then on to FA, hopefully. I think we can do this by the end of February.

2010:"Renholder being the reverse of "Re: D Lohner" (a random email title "Regarding: Danny Lohner"). - needs ref, and clarification per the above....(maybe it's just me) 1027:

Tori Amos. But while most rock singers are an extension of their lead guitarist or rhythm section, Keenan has always been the soothing calm amid the menacing storm.

3550: 1404:? He is a musician, he is notable for being a musician, and so his work as a musician should be listed. Seems more relevant than all the biographical information. – 669:

In addition to vocals, the following credits are attributed to Maynard. This would be a good addition to the article, tho I'm not sure the best way to work it in.

2005:"Puscifer also contributed a song to the Underworld sequel in 2006, Underworld: Evolution, on a "The Undertaker (Renholder Mix)"" - the "on a" makes no sense here 1020:

dark to crude and dumb: "This lady got the thickness/Can I get a witness?" But without the gravitas of Tool's massive prog machine, it all sounds a little silly.

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Puscifer made its concert debut in Las Vegas in February 2009, and Tool began their summer tour, headlining both the Mile High Music Festival and Lollapalooza.

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I'm on stage often. And sometimes I get laughs. Unfortunately I'm not really trying to get laughs. So that's bad, right? Stop laughing. It hurts my feelings.

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wrote that "both groups rely on Mr. Keenan's ability to dignify emotions like lust, anger and disgust, the honey in his voice adding a touch of profundity".

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for example. The article lists his solo albums and there is a main article link to his extended discography, which includes all albums including those of

1023:--- One Track Mind Tool, "The Pot" Tool singer Keenan keeps rest of the sound in balance Ricardo Baca. Denver Post. Denver, Colo.: Nov 16, 2007. pg. F.11 999:--- Tool offers lyric, high-minded, violent message Jason Bracelin. Las Vegas Review - Journal. Las Vegas, Nev.: Dec 15, 2007. pg. B.2 By JASON BRACELIN 2906:

It's a little odd that we have a lengthy discography here that omits this hombre's most famous works. I realise this has to do with the redundancy with

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Keenan did stand-up comedy on improv nights in comedy clubs in Los Angeles during that time, delivering—according to a friend of Hicks—inspiring comedy.

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etc., but now that discographies have moved past bands, how about we compile a comprehensive listing of Keenan's collaborations on a separate page? If

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is forced and disrupts the chronological flow. This can give off the idea that the event inspired the lyrics, when the source doesn't establish this. –

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I think tabling should be avoided in prose articles (FAs especially), and the selection here is not too long, but I would split it into two columns.

978:--- NPR - Joel Rose At 50, The Grammys Show Their Age Again; All Things Considered. Washington, D.C.: Feb 8, 2008. pg. 1 National Public Radio, Inc 639:, which is an FA, has a selected listing. So I cut out the non-notable stuff, and the concert appearances, and what you see it the result. Comments? 1448:

Please note that I had no problem with the removal of the Tool/APC/Puscifer lists, since that content is covered by their respective discographies.

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Additional information is needed. Such as reviews specifically of Maynard, editorial reviews of his vocals, published commentary on his lyrics, etc.

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Because of the length of most of these sections, and the fact that I'm just talking to myself in most of them, I'm going to condense most of them.

2581: 1804:"and realizing that he would not go through West Point "undetected" for his dissidence" - what's all this about dissidence? First mention...yeah 1009:--- POP MUSIC REVIEW; Tool gets to howl to the choir at Nokia Theatre Mikael Wood. Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Dec 12, 2007. pg. E.3 3678:. There are only two cited in the article beside the claim, but I have found at least a half dozen, including a new one from a week or two ago. 401: 3734: 1211: 1134: 2247:

it was probably as Booth stated, at an improv night, where literally anyone can get on stage and mumble. But that's just my speculation.

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appearance in a TV programme in a new line. It would make the article look a lot more organised, in my view, but I'm open to discussion.

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Yea, I saw that one when I got the main image in the article now. Seemed a little unnecessarily negative to put in the article, though.

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has Howerdel saying that "Brena" originates from around 1990. It is uncertain whether the title came from Maynard at a later time. –

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busting my ass; we're working hard on this. This is our new child; we're nurturing it, developing it and showing it to the world.

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Also I understand that a lot of work is being done to get this to GA so it may be low down on the ladder of things to address.

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How was Maynard's voice discovered? Blender article says one thing, article says another, but is currently without reference.

2644:; the fact that the source says Maynard is a recluse involves no interpretation on my part. Do you see the difference here? 2741: 2149: 2073: 2048: 1986: 1951: 1902: 1864: 1820: 2911: 2327: 773:). If this is something we need to do for FA, then we've got a lot or work to do. Here's a basic timeline to work with. 3559: 2600:

This is absurd. Since when does not having one's image plastered on every available publication qualify as reclusive?

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Caduceus Cellars, a winery in Northern Arizona, is owned by Maynard James Keenan, lead singer for the rock band Tool.

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I've trimmed it a bit. The comedy section needs to be restructured before those are removed. I'll work on that now.

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was 11. No attack or offense was intended towards you, Lara. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in what I said. Gomen.

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Can you please direct me to the biographies on MJK by "serious biographers"? There's a good multi-page spread in

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I've heard of A Perfect Circle, which gives me the feeling there might be more info about them. I may be wrong...

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Anyone else think it would be a good idea to somewhat merge 'Early Life' and 'Personal Life' sections somehow?

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It would be nice, but doubtful, if there is a reliable source relating this incident to the eleven in "jimmy". –

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It is noted. The start of the paragraph reads "In October 1996, the band released their second studio album,

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It gives the same impression to me. I still think "is to feature" is best. It doesn't predict by saying it

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story." Really, I read the news article and it stated that his mother died when he was 11. Thanks for the

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I think the last sentence of the post makes it pretty clear there's not an issue here for us to address.

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I'm sorry for the delayed response. You are right, it's two tracks, not three. Good catch. Thank you. :)

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of the article, which is much more succinct and better summarizes the article (as the lead should do).

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We can't use "will" – Knowledge (XXG) doesn't predict the future. Better to report the announcement.

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Four and a hidden comment is what we've had for a long time. People keep ignoring it. The last one

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Haha, noted. Well, I'll keep an eye out. When you're ready to get started, I'll be glad to help.

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Yes absolutely, but only if we can cite a source for that, after all it could be a coincidence.

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Rather than just slamming in a The Metal Observer quote, why not talk about the merits of Ænima?

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Scroll down and look at the reflist. There's a bad link in there someplace, needs to be fixed.

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People can go to the article for the band or album for that information. This is about Maynard.

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Ah, so you have, very good! If FLC is the benchmark, we might want to hold off while the new

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