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Loathe as I am to continue giving oxygen to this debate, but if there is "a person or group ... running a campaign to keep mentioning war on Knowledge (XXG)", they're not doing a very good job. Looking ahead to the coming week - though these are liable to change of course - the proportion of entries
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When the scheduled dates are either today or tomorrow, those words appear in a new line following the dates. This looks strange to me. At the moment that condition is not fulfilled, and only the dates appear. My change was to put "today" and 'tomorrow" on the same line as the dates, separated by a
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So out of 35 entries, 4 relate to war, and 31 do not, and just over half the days of the coming week have a war-related entry, rather than it being 'almost without exception'. To compare, this is one less than the rate that the anniversaries of scientific discoveries, observations or announcements
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On the contrary, a very large portion of readers of the English-language Knowledge (XXG) are in the USA, and people there find these defining moments of their history to be of great cultural importance to them. (You don't build a nation without breaking some heads.) And I, as an English-speaking
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Examples of OTD war items: "Jack Jouett made a 40-mile (64 km) ride to warn Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia legislature of coming British cavalry", "The Americans, led by General John Stark, routed British and Brunswick troops under Friedrich Baum at the Battle of Bennington in Walloomsac" and
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History is what happened. Many of the most important events in human history worldwide have to do with wars, due both to the fighting/fatalities and the consequences. (Take a look at maps of Europe in 1914 and 1945.) Just as ITN isn't a platform for sanitizing the news, OTD isn't a venue for
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It is intriguing that almost without exception every day in OTD there is at least one article (not all articles) on war. I wonder if a person or group is running a campaign to keep mentioning war on Knowledge (XXG). Is someone trying to propagate continued conflict using Knowledge (XXG)?
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Why do so many of the Knowledge (XXG) On This Day entries concern war? Almost every day there is at least one entry relating to war. Is it because a large proportion of submitted entries relate to war, or are the people who choose entries for the day obsessed with war?
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You may be asking "wait, what about situations when we copy some files locally and protect them?" But that still does not put the file in this category unless you add it manually and no one does that. This category has no been used since 2017.
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As for whether some people are trying to "propagate continued conflict using Knowledge (XXG)", then yes some people are. But I doubt any of them are doing so by mentioning conflicts from the time of Alexander the Great or Henry VIII.
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in part reverted a recent change I had made in the formatting of the TFL dates to put them on one line, but with no explanation. I am curious as to why the two-line format is preferred. It looks strange to me.
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That's definitely not a war. It probably affected a great deal less people than the military action mentioned above, but space exploration is cool anyway (and is usually enabled by technologies developed for
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I wonder what proportion of all wikipedia event entries are about war events. I would wager it is considerably less than 11.4%, the figure provided above from a small sample of OTD entries.
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sentiment is exactly what we, as an encyclopedia, should be trying to avoid. It is much less useful than noting the significance and context of the events.
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about them to base an article on. You are welcome to participate in the process to determine what appears in OTD in order to influence what appears there.
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I like to do a daily read of items in OTD to learn new or refresh old event details. It is tiring to keep finding day after day a fact relating to war.
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That's definitely not a war. I guess it's significant, although it probably affected a great deal less people than the military action mentioned above.
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1885 ā€“ Sino-French War: French troops under General Oscar de NĆ©grier defeated a larger Qing Chinese force at the Battle of NĆŗi Bop in northern Vietnam.
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This is about a gun designed for war, but quite possibly mostly not used in war. Its cultural legacy seems more significant than its usage in war.
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That's definitely not a war and it's a rather pathetically pop-culture item, I personally would be OK with it being replaced with a good war.
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by unprotecting all 13 files in it. Then delete the category because it will never again be populated until and unless we redesign the
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The moral of the story is - improve a wide range of WP pages so there is a wider range to select from for the various parts of the MP.
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1847 ā€“ American gun inventor Samuel Colt (engraving shown) sold the first thousand of his Colt Walker revolvers to the Texas Rangers.
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Which "TFL dates" are you referring to? I don't see any particular problems in the diff above, nor in the current appearance of
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reader who is not in the USA, find it interesting to learn about those aspects of history that Americans do find important.
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Ah, I notice it now. I think what's happening is that the semicolon was being parsed as a definition list title marker (
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2004 ā€“ Spirit, the first of two rovers of NASA's Mars Exploration Rover mission, successfully landed on Mars.
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1972 ā€“ Rose Heilbron became the first female judge to sit at the Central Criminal Court of England and Wales.
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Only a minuscule portion of worldwide readers would be even vaguely interested.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Wars are also easy to write about for editors because there are usually many
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This says nothing about the choice of individual events, such as the
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Mankind, or its historians, record wars more than other events.
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1936 ā€“ Billboard magazine published its first music hit parade.
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on the 12th). I don't think this is much evidence of
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