Talk:Malaysia/Archive 1 - Knowledge (XXG)

1206:"others (meaning cina, indian dan lain lain). DESPITE, the "implementation" (not the "stated goal") of the NEP, the "dan lain lain" parts of the country managed to increase their share of the national pie. Ironically enough the Malaysa never did reach 30% even though all the help under the NEP went to them. Now kindly stop mucking around with the sentence. The NEP never intended to "take away" from any "rich" local race. It was intended to increase local holdings at the expense of foreign holdings (such as Sime Darby, Guthrie etc etc, go read a history book). Unfortunately the only people it gave anything to where the ones who failed, till today, to achieve the goals of the NEP. -- 2028:

That would indicate to me that in the last 7-8 years the number of Malay's has decreased and the number of Chinese have increased substantially. It would also seem that the pupulation of Malaysia has grown a great deal since when I was there it was quoted as 18 million and now is reported to be 23 million. It would not be surprised if the Chinese population has grown disproportionately with Hong Kong reverted to Chinese control and fewer restrictions on Chinese emmigration. The economy of Malaysia continues to grow and the Chinese in Malaysia are among the most enterprising of its people in my experience. This is merely anecdotal and speculative information I offer. -M

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become "Many corporations and investors believe that Kuala Lumpur has a stable macroeconomic environment, among which includes inflation and unemployment under 3%", because I think it would sound better. Maybe its just English style, but compressing four different wide-ranging properties and only using one or two verbs sounds awkward and assertive. Also, "Malays, Chinese and Indians living side by side" - side by side is a bit of a generalisation, or rather, a metaphor, and not an encyclopedic definition, so shouldn't there be another word for that?

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If I went to your bank account and took your money and then gave it to beggars outside the bank this is not affirmative action. AA is finding the person who "wronged" you and righting that wrong. For example in a race, a person deliberately hits your vehicle and perhaps the judges decide that this action cost you 3 minutes. AA is making the other driver give you back that three minutes by either setting your clock back three minutes or slowing him down three minutes.

1145:". While annoying, they aren't strictly vandals, so until we draft a policy for handling them, we cannot do more than warn them. I intended to block the guy, but other, more experienced admins, objected. This actually isn't vandalism — vandalism is blanking the article, or replacing the text with "Malaysia sucks" or other such inane chicaneries. This is actual content, and as such isn't covered by the vandalism rules. It sucks, but there's little we can do for now. 31: 138:

Malacca. Nor, as far as I know, is it clear that Arabs brought Islam to Malacca; I've always read that it was brought there primarily by Indian and Persian traders. I have therefore edited out "who first brought Islam to Malaysia" (and gotten rid of the redundancy) from the above phrase. Anyone who can point to clear evidence connecting the Kuala Berang stone (sorry its name slips my mind) with Arabs can reinsert this text.

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ancestors in the Middle-East. Some still use the family names such as Al-Jefri' Al-Hadrami, Al-Sagoff, Al-Haddad, Bakhaswan, Bajuneid, Al Muqashim and etc. Many have dropped their family names and some have even dropped their SYED or SHEIKH prefixes. Conservative Arab Malaysian families have maintained their features because marriages remain between their family circles.

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where two-third of the population have internet acess available, the identity card will soon replace all forms of bankcard and credits card issued to Malaysians. In fact, the government currently is driving to replace all forms of identification used in Malaysia, from drivers licence, university student card, employee card to student cards, with the new identity card.

781:. All of them are focused solely on presenting the opposition's viewpoint; while I agree that the NEP's benefits are damn racist, declaring it to be the same as Apartheid (however true that may be) is outright bias. Obviously this tide of anti-government-ism is not going to be stemmed any time soon, so I give up on these articles. POV them all you like. 691:

over simplification but not by much). If the Malaysian governemnt were to devalue the currency to 2 RM to 1 USD, then Malaysian bananas would be worth 0.5 USD. Therefore buyers in the US would, assuming the item is price sensitive, buy more Malaysian bananas than thai bananas. Fundamentally devaluing a currency is a good way to sell cheap goods.

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there has good info which is comprehensive on Malaysia then he/she should be linked. IMHO, the local gov sites are next to useless (except for a few such as EPF/LHDN/CCM etc). Information on Malaysia is usually more complete and accurate of the CIA world factbook. As for the idea of "deserving"........--

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Malay is the only official language of Malaysia. That's the first point. Jawi is a Malay script. That's the second point. Now, why the government wants to have the coat of arms in Rumi and Jawi? If it's not official, Jawi would not have appeared on the coat of arms in the first place. As I have said,

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will give you a glance of what Malaysian are interested. Official site will not tell what are the people interest in, and what is the "in" and what is out, etc so and so. But blogger site will give you those "no-so-official-but-lifely info". I suggest we start an wiki topic on "Malaysia blog" and put

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Deliberately pricing downwards usually leads to dumping tariffs being slapped on your products especially by the US since the local industries/unions/politicians etc. start thumping their chests whenever there is import related issues. This is ESPECIALLY relevant for Malaysia since I believe trade is

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Marhaban is another cultural event brought from Yemen. It is a door-to-door group visits within a community. Each time they arrive at a member's home, they will be singing Arabic poetries and recitals. Then they move on to another home. This cultural event, which celebrates the Prophet's birthday, is

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Some Malay cultural dances with Arabic flavour are Dabus ( popular in the State of Perak ) and Zapin ( popular in the State of Johor ). The iron spokes, carried by Dabus performers in their hands, can be found used by male dancers in Yemen, Bahrain and Oman. These dances are normally performed during

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In the Demographics section, "most Middle Easterners are mostly Arabs who first brought Islam to Malaysia" is a controversial statement (as well as containing too many "most"s). Many people believe it was the Chinese who first brought Islam to Kuala Berang, a century or so before Islam was brought to

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My Perspective: I was there in the late 90's and at that time the figures we were given by people in the government coincide roughly with the above numbers. I have been suprised to see other accounts, including Lonely Planet and the CIA world factbook quote Malays numbering only 50% and Chinese 30%.

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Let's keep this in perspective. How useful is VL Malaysia in offering extra information to Knowledge (XXG)? In fact, most of the information offered by VL Malaysia is already covered by pre-existing official links and the article on wikipedia itself. Plus, we don't need directories of blogs or site,

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Knowledge (XXG) was created not only as a place where anyone can edit but also as a neutral source of information. If you're adhering to the letter of the law, then you should delete all the other external links as well. Neutrality & fairness means that there must be 2 points of views presented,

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You won't even need to say he was evil. That's why the article on Hitler does not start with "Hitler was a bad man" -- we don't need to, his deeds convict him a thousand times over. We just list the facts of the Holocaust dispassionately, and the voices of the dead cry out afresh in a way that makes

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Yes that's why we are trying to work out the right term. I submit that the term is not affirmative action since it would give the wrong tones. Basically the situation we have is this. In some African countries black people are trying to rob white farmers of their lands and term it "re-distribution".

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Is it only _thought_ that Langkasuka was a Hindu-Buddhist kingdom? I didn't think there was any controversy about the fact that the main stream of Malay society was Hindu-Buddhist with admixtures of traditional animist beliefs before the arrival of Islam. I have not edited anything but I do question

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Untrue. Fundamentally when a governmnt devalues its currency it makes good cheaper and industries more competitive. Example, 1 Ringgit is worth 1 UD dollar. Malaysia produces bananas. 1 Thai Baht is worth 1 US dollar, they also sell bananas. Let's assume both countries sell bananas to the US (yes an

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Large Arab communities can be found in the towns of Johor such as Muar, Batu Pahat and the city of Johor Bahru. Many Singaporeans Arabs are now living in the city of Johor Bahru. There are significant groups in the states of Penang, Kedah and Trengganu. Some even linked the current Prime Minister as

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Another contribution of the Arabs, which the Malay adopted, is the use of medicines called MA'AJUN. This medicine are used for common such as headaches to serious ailments such as kidney problems. MAAJUN are made of herbs, spices and honey. The sight, smell, taste and the use of MAAJUN are still the

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In the "Religion" section, a figure of 13% is given for Hindus in the Malaysian population. I'm guessing that that is actually the percentage in the population of West Malaysia only, as the percentage of Hindus cannot be higher than the percentage of Indians, unless a large number of foreign workers

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I added an external link here but it was removed. Seems like there's a bunch of narrow minded characters here who don't understand the purpose & objectives of Knowledge (XXG). Knowledge (XXG) is not a Malaysian government owned publication. It belongs to the international community. I think the

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Also note that there are 3 main Telco Operators in Singapore (namely SingTel, M1 and StarHub, though SingTel is considerably monopolizing in Fixed Line Telco Services) but the 020 calling code is exclusively operated by SingTel. In order to use the 020 calling code in M1 or StarHub's services, one

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So calling a spade a spade is now POV? Ok give me the bleeding heart PC word for apartheid and I will gladly use it. Every phrase used has a certain connotation and yes apartheid connotates that a ruling power has used their ruling advantage to their own advantage. Can you think of another term for

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Another point, "Kuala Lumpur's stable macroeconomic environment, in which both inflation and unemployment stand at 3% or less, coupled with its healthy foreign exchange reserves and relatively small external debt" - its slightly too assertive, mostly by style, not content. Do you mind if I make it

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Basically, what you are saying on devaluation of the exchange rate is true but I am not contesting that. All I'm saying is that pegging is not devaluing. They are two different but related concept in macroeconomics. Please refer to the Mundell-Fleming model for clarification on implications of the

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The security features of the card rivals top security cards issued to elite agents within the western world and is far more secure than any credit card in existance. It is hard to duplicate and all cards can be counter-checked by any law enforcement officer within seconds. In highly wired country

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China is a perfect example of a competitive currency with fixed exchange rate regime. And thus, saying Ringgit is being uncompetitive because of pegging is untrue. Ringgit is uncompetitive only if it is more expensive compared to other currencies. Furthermore, with the US Dollar weakening against

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I removed it because a flexible exchange rate doesn't mean the ability to sell product at a cheaper price. If a currency (such as China's for instance in the real world), is being set weaker than all countries, such country will still be able to sell things cheaper than any country with flexible

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Would demur on this. The criteria for including a link is relevance to the topic. Example if you are writing about "X" but "X" is already covered on a website outside then by all means point to it. An external link is for people to find out more. Not an appeal to authority. So if any blogger out

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The Arabs of Malaysia have inter-married with natives since their arrival to the Malay Archipelago. They have assimilated with the natives and favoured local delicacies. Most of them no longer speak Arabic. Mostly cannot be distinguished anymore, physically. Only their names linked them to their

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Jawi to me has always been a tricky issue. While the Constitution says Malay is the official language, it doesn't say anything (or I haven't seen anything about it) about script (ie romanized vs Jawi). But it's quite easy to say that the usage of Jawi is limited and not widespread and not is it

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the NEP was initially designed to increase the national percentage of local holdings to foreign holdings to a ratio of 30:40:30. 30% malay 40% others and 30% foreign. However, in IMPLEMENTATION, government help, funded by taxpayer monies was used only to increase the Malay portion and never the

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Note that 020 calling code from Singapore is NOT interchangeable with IDD code 60. 020 calling code works as to replace +60 (including international call prefix and IDD code 60 assigned by the International Telecommunication Union in standard E.164), in other words, one needs no dail the

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Sorry for intruding or offending the community, just happened to pass by and glance over; I notice that a lot of the sentences and style isn't quite encylopedic as it should be. For example, its overly assertive when it shouldn't. Firstly, I think as an encyclopedia, try to eliminate

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Agreed. However, although I am an amateur economist (preparing for my O-level economics, have a couple of college-level textbooks at home), I don't think I'm ready to apply what I've learnt to ensuring the section isn't mucked up. I may chip in a little bit here and there, though.

2055:. I not sure how to do it. However, it looks easy. Moreover, it would be a shame to be one of the countries that don't have one. I'm interested in making one for Malaysia but I don't think I can do it alone. Any other Malaysian or Malaysiaphiles interested in doing this together? 1929:

I had added Jawi twice, but it was removed. I don't exactly understand why, but the national coat of arms has both the Rumi and Jawi versions of its slogan, thus Jawi is also officially recognised as the traditional script of Malaysia, as Hanja is to South Korea. The position of

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What does a bumiputra system means? I don't think that is relevant in the economy section. If it does mean anything, it should be in history. The economy section should explain the economy, not the social structure or anything alike. If nobody opposes, I'll delete this later.

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Mahathir Bin Mohamad is also a strong supporter for Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaida terrorist network. Mahathir invited Osama Bin Laden to set up a shrimp farming operation in Kedah - a state where Mahathir was born - a shell front to money laundry for the al-Qaida terrorist

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My suggestion is to move the SEA template to the geography articles of each country. It overlaps with the Southeast Asia template, the only reception would be with East Timor, but since they're related in a sense of geography, it should go there. Any other opinions on this?

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is in error. This website may be sponsored by a company but there's nothing in this website that you can prove your point as being commercial in nature. Many websites of NGOs & charities today are sponsored by commercial companies. Does that make them commercial?

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itself notes that Chinese are not subject to affirmative action, and thus are treated like whites in university admissions. The Chinese have never employed Black slaves. You can see a short discussion of whether the discrimination in Malaysia is affirmave action on

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rants, as well as the use of several biased phrases and wording. Today, I see that the POV is back. I'm tired of all this. Obviously, those who don't agree with the opposition's ranting about how evil the government is are disenfranchised on Knowledge (XXG); now,

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parantheses/brackets unless absolutely necessary - otherwise it seems unprofessional and too awkward. Brackets explaining a non-English term is excusable. A whole sentence within a bracket - well that should be avoided. Case in point: in the Geography section:

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important for daily and administrative activities. Moreoever, the problem with adding Jawi is there later, somebody will add Chinese script (in both simplified and traditional), Tamil and maybe even Iban. It makes life easier if we just have English and Malay.

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I thought that was interesting, as the Westminster System was definately British in origin, named after the street in London where Parliament sits. I know not the influence of France in Malaysia, but perhaps if there is a distinction to actaully seperate them.

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Malaysia, a middle income country, transformed itself from 1971 through the late 1990s from a producer of raw materials into an emerging multi-sector economy via the Apartheid-like New Economic Policy (NEP), which also introduced a stronger bumiputra

1055:"Tanjung Piai, located in the southern state of Johor, is the southernmost tip of continental Asia. (Singapore also claims this title, but it is debatable whether the man-made causeway connecting it to Johor makes it an extension of the continent.)" 1722:. Considering the fact that this matter is still being discussed here somewhat politely and with civility, may I suggest we try to resolve this matter here first, and only resort to mediation upon exhausting all possible avenues of resolution? -- 1065:

These are just stylistic things I would like to point out, that when rewritten, sounds more professional. Sorry if I offend anyone by stating this, because I know very little about Malaysia and probably shouldn't have the audacity to post here.

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Highly awkward to read, especially it reads slightly off (especially being next to an image). Secondly, shouldn't we avoid generalisations whenever possible, or at least express an semi-opinion by stating "it can be said that...", for example.

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It has also been said that Malaysia, with a fixed peg against the US dollar is disadvantaged in competing with countries such as India or Thailand who have greater flexibility in currency management and hence can offer goods at cheaper

1626:, initiated at CERN. It's presently overseen by the W3C. From your assessment, it appears that you're not familiar about the WWW VL, CERN or W3C. I'd encourage you to learn more about them before making an arbitrary point of view. 144:

Well, the KBSM approved history books provide three theories without stating preference: Arab influence, Chinese influence and Indian influence. So I guess it WOULD be presumptious to put the "middle easterners" statement in.

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Ghazal is a popular form of music in the state of Johor, with Malay lyrics sung over Arabic tunes. An accompanying 4-string instrument (distinctly Arabic), is called Gambus. I'm not sure what it is called in Arabic nations.

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I think the page should place under "policy". One must take note that the majority Malaysia race , Malays, are practicing Islam. While Islam are against gambling, the topic is a good example of contradicting policy in

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is bordered to the" I thought P. Malaysia is another name for the Malay Peninsula. Nothing north is Malay (actually anything kedah and north is thailand except for treaty with the british...anyway thats history). How?

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I would love to do that but I won't be able to it until the weekends. But I trust it would be fairly easy to do that without much complication. So, almost anybody can do it. If nobody does it by the weekends, I'll do

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I don't have the figure but the figure for Hindus is possible since a Hindu doesn't have to be Indian nor does an Indian has to be a Hindu even though a majority of Hindus are Indians while most of Indian are Hindus.

92:"As states of Malaysia were formerly French colonies, many Malaysian institutions are based on those of the French. For instance, the Malaysian system of government draws heavily on the French Westminster system." 1463:

No i am not saying a blog is ok. I am saying that non-topical links are not ok and not just limited to blogs. Largely as the situation stands now the links there are all non-topical or rather suited to oother sub

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Actually is not the gambling concesion per se but rather that it was a decision overturned by the incoming regime. I do agree it should be summarized and a pointer should be made to where it is more relevant.--

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I edited the mention of the NEP in the main article to give a clearer view of its objectives, as defined by the government. The initial "designed to enrich the Malays" line seems, to me, too biased. - chibikit

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I don't think blogs and the so-called directories of malaysian sites are necessary. Only official or prominent site like news or govt site deserve to be included. Blogs are certainly out of the question.

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If that doesn't sound like a ground, I don't know what does. I strongly think we have a strong case of banning though it seems that the vandal keep switching IP. Nevertheless, his submask is the same.

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Mykad is just a smartcard, it suffered the same security obsolescent problem as smartcard. The elobaration of security is marketing talk, it doesn't show much facts compare to wikipedia topic on

264:. In general, the custom is to put comments like the above in the Talk page rather than directly in the article; but of course you're certainly welcome to correct the information directly there! 1275:

In proper history however, British was practicing divide and conquer. The Indian in agriculture, Chinese in mining and Malay in governance. I'll remove the anon's edit if there's no objection.

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that's not what is in conflict. I am pushing for removal of ALL links which are there now since none of them actually fulfill any measure of "topicality". Yes they can be moved to other pages.

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I don't know where the sordid story of Vincent Tan's gambling concessions belongs, but it sure doesn't belong in the main Malaysia article's History section, which is supposed to provide a

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but we need references, stuff like including the race porportion figures I mentioned above. Other than that, the malaysia article is well-written, uncontroversial and has lots of content.

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No. If we start putting blogs, they will come back in swarm, adding more links from wikipedia to them. It happened before and I don't think some of us are willing to do it all over again.

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Removed reference to Badawi releasing Anwar. The court released Anwar, not the prime minister. This history segment needs to be rewritten - it contains WAY too much bias against Mahathir.

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Perhaps it would be good to state these 3 theories ie Arab Traders, Indian traders or the Chinese from Kunming. AFAIK these are the 3 most reliable theories, made by credible historians.

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Every Malaysian citizen has a central database record where everything about that citizen is recorded, from his credit worthiness to education level. However looming over the horizon is

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Policies exist on Knowledge (XXG) regarding external linking. The site that was linked to is a commercial website that offers no additional unique or relevant content to the article. See

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Look at our Coat of arms first. There is Jawi on it. I expect that all people knows the position of the coat of arms in a country, and I believe everybody should know its significance.

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Knowledge (XXG) are mean to provide user the BEST information and stay CURRENT. I think excluding the blogger will limit the view. For example, this is a blogger that give a topical

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Jawi is also the official Malay script with Rumi (Malay Roman script). Many buildings, road signs and even the national emblem, states the Jawi and Rumi variants; see this --: -->

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would pretty much exclude this attempt to circumvent the obvious. One also cannot fail to notice that the root domain of the site listed is a shopping site with nothing more than

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Not to beat on a dead horse but a few Thai states above Kedah are Malay. Pattani, Songkhla, Yala and Narathiwat are Malay states. They even speak Malay. More info is available in

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Many Malay words are borrowed from Arabic. Some examples are KURSI ( chair ), MADRASAH ( Islamic School ), Masjid ( mosque ), Arak ( liquor ), Tabib ( doctor) and many others.

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I'd go for affirmitive action. It's policy favouring one group actively and that's what I'd call it. OT I think it's important although IMHO the government botched it royally.

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I'm not sure whether it is written anywhere that the romanized version is the official script. It's de facto but I don't think it is written anywhere in the Constitution.

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article, it may help. I will watch this page a while and see if I can follow the conflict well enough to comment, but I would appreciate it if all parties could read the

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I think we forgot about the National Flower, the hibiscus. (Bunga Raya) Can someone check it out and then add it on the space after the flag & coat of arms? Thanks -

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I think the article is biased and thus, I added Stigliz's admiration of Malaysia to give a sense that not all were against what Malaysia did during the financial crisis.

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Faster, pussycat! KILL KILL KILL! Now there's three left, all hopefully reasonable topical. One government portal, one official tourism site, one Wiki tourism site.

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The WWW VL Malaysia has been a part of the WWW VL Asian Studies at the ANU & the WWW VL at W3C for almost 8 years. I think that speaks very much for its record.

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exist. As a new comer, not knowing the appropriate ways for editing, I always take references from other pages, for this case, pages of otner country profiles and

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Hanja's position is parallel to Jawi due to daily usage in Malaysia and officiality in governmental circles. It's thus feasible to have Jawi on, like Hanja in

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An anonymous user just changed the race proportion to 65% Malay, 20% chinese, 10% indian and 5% "other". Any figures to back this up, or should we revert?

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are Hindus. As I don't know the actual percentage, I will not edit the figure, but would someone who has access to such information please look into it?

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It was not the chinese or indian that disadvantaged the malay. In fact the situation is clearly quite different if you look at the figures on ownership.

244:(I don't really agree with this fact. Putrajaya is only an administrative centre for Malaysia and not its new capital. The capital of Malaysia is still 1658:

affiliate banner links. I could make a mirror of Yahoo's frontpage and call it by another name and use a subdomain of a site that is an affiliate to

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can someone with real knowledge in this field include some information under Geographics about how malaysia is free from earthquakes and volcanoes?

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Correction here,Dato Onn Jafar and his son Tun Hussein Onn are of partial Turkish(Circassian) descent,not Arab.Not all Middle Easterners are Arabs.

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not just federal government source of information. The current practice borders between censorship & denying another point of view of things.

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I was discussing it on the IRC channel last night. The eventual conclusion was yes, they're pesky, but it's not really grounds for blocking yet.

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We could put "in spite of Prime Minister Mahathir's policies", both would be equally unprovable so let's keep the opinion out of the article.--

475:. I really don't know why it is to say that "We need to be consistent", as most (from my point of view) of the country profiles use the phrase 1802:

I'm no geologist but I can say Malaysia is relatively safe from earthquake because it is in the middle of a plate instead at the edge of it.

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about disagreement. Your attitude so far hasn't really won you much brownie points. My take on the policies, especially the one about

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That would depend on whether you're adhering to the spirit of the law or letter of the law. Secondly, your assessment of the website

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and for being previously familiar with it. I would ask Malbear to do the same. I expect that may take a while. So see you later.

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Sorry to interfere, for joining the Knowledge (XXG) for less than a weeek, I think still to be considered as a newbie. Regarding the

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for further details on the various policies. I think the edits are fair and within the guidelines of Knowledge (XXG). Incidentally,

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international call prefix (the '+' or '00' as applies to some countries) for the 020 calling code to call Malaysia in Singapore!!!

1416:. External links should be used sparingly, and I argee with Earth that the main Malaysia page is not the place for random blogs. 1331:

I think we should just throw off the gambling stuff. It is pretty much irrelevent when it concerns Malaysians history and yeah,

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except Cameroon, India and Pakistan, use the ealier too. Correct me if I'm wrong. Like I said, I'm still learning. Thanks. --

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The infromation RFID identities card is just a speculation. Until it materialise, it shouldn't use as a fact in wikipedia.

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Ermmm, I don't know why there are two templates, but in that case just retain both. Other countries, for example like the

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Does the NPOV warning on this page still apply? I just read it and it doesn't sound too bad anymore; can it be removed?

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Well, if we are looking for the right term, why not just call the New Economic Policy the "New Economic Policy" ? --

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Again, flexibility is not source of competitiveness. The level of the rate itself is the source of competitiveness.

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What on earth are you talking about? You said blog is okay but then say you are pushing for removal of all links?

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It's needless speculation about the reasons for lack of Malay participation, with no proof whatsoever. Remove it.

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However, in this era now, when the fight against terorism is paramount, the identity card (MyCard) is important.

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8. The late Tun Hussein Onn - Former Prime Minister of Malaysia, also the 3rd Prime Minister after independence.

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to host it. Would that make it a legitimate addition to this entry? I suspect it might even be in violation of

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needs to apply and register to SingTel for an 'account' to use the calling code from M1 or StarHub's services.

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6. Dato' Seri Syed Razak Syed Zain - Former Menteri Besar of Kedah ( Chief Minister for the State of Kedah ).

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Wrong. In America, everyone not from certain races are disenfranchised in affirmative action. Our article on

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Malay is the official language and the romanized script is the official script. Removed Jawi from infobox.

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11. Dato' SM Nazimuddin - The owner of NAZA Holdings, a company producing and distributing motor vehicles.

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I had added the Jawi script, but it was removed. I am adding it again, and I am listing the reasons down:

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has its Hanja version featured, too. Jawi is used just as frequently as Hanja just as Rumi is to Hangul.

1312:. We now have two (2) paragraphs covering Malaysia up to 1867, and ten (10) covering the post-1997 era! 1010:

name-calling both pointless and unnecessary. Please do the same: list Saddam's crimes, cite your sources.

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I know the Malay language is the official language but is the romanized script is the official script?

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as the Malays were not willing to work in those sectors (Please refer to the Malaysian History Proper).

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more than "a ruling power using their ruling advantage to their own advantage" (and I thought that was

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Thanks for making corrections! While you're here, though, you might want to take a quick look through

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9. Dato' Sharifah Aini - The famous and controversial lady Malay folk singer from the State of Johor

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this or shall we keep it out simply because you happen to be uncomfortable that this term is used?--

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And given that Jawi is accepted in exams, I would say it's also just as much an 'official' script

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Removed. NEP is now called "controversial", so anybody interested can read that article for why.

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7. Syed Hussein Al-Habsyi - Director of KUB Holdings, the operator of UNITAR, ITTAR and 7 Eleven.

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I think that section certainly need some work, 9 paragraphs for an overview to a main article at

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is not an official script of Malaysia, so what is the rationale behind using it in the infobox?

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10. Dato' SM Salim - The famous and popular Malay folk singer, a household name since 1970s.

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Karada offered the following excellent advice in the context of the Saddam Hussein article:

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There exams written in Chinese, Tamil and even Iban. But that doesn't make them official.

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dying. Elders, practising Marhaban, can still be found in the States of Johor and Perak.

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I think we should lock the page for awhile. I hope that will be enough to deter vandal.

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4. Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhari - The Founder of Bukhari Foundation and a Malaysian Magnate.

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exchange rate regime. See economics topic on exchange rate related models for details.

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5. Dato' Onn Jaafar - The co-founder of UMNO ( United Malaysia National Organization )

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I think if you will all take perhaps a little break and read all the way through the

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I would like to bring up a different portion of the History section for discussion:

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other major currencies, Malaysian Ringgit has automatically become more competitive.

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same at present day Malaysia and Saudi Arabia. The practitioners are called TABIBs.

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Could someone who is familiar with Malay culture and history look at this article:

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I remove the following section due to lack of facts to support and irrelevancy.

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The coat of arms depicted is outdated. It should be changed to the current one.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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admin of Knowledge (XXG) should be alerted to this kind of unhealthy practices.

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an Arab descent because of his family name BADAWI but this cannot be verified.

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running at 4 times GDP. We don't use much of what we produce, we export it. --

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I've rewritten it. Please check I've made any error or violated NPOV policy.

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I however have heard instances where Putrajaya is referred to as a capital.

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view of his life, in Malaysia. And centralise blogger directory such as

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whether the language in this section is insufficiently assertive here.

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has been adding Putrajaya back into the capital box. According to

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while you're at it? Until Malaysian Chinese are rounded up into

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at the Australian National University, which in turn is the

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So any suggestions on where to put this stuff is welcome.

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removed "as a result of Prime Minister Mahathir's policies"

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Please create a new independent topic to show the fact of

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Geographical thingie: concerning volcanoes and earthquakes

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3. Syed Hamid Al-Albar - The Foreign Minister of Malaysia

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technology, which may replace MyCard soon in the future.

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is cool if anyone wants to do the gambling concessions.

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wasn't there before therefore, I thought of adding this

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Read your edit. It looks better now. Thanks - chibikit

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