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I think this is something worth exploring. It was Ben's brother, Casey, that was in the movie, however. In which scene is he watching the game? I don't recall it out of hand, and don't feel like re-watching the movie--LOL! Since the movie is full of flashbacks, I wanted to make sure it wasn't during
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I want to engage in the process of possible changing the genre of the film from drama to tragedy. The reason for this is because the film is regarded as a tragedy in multiple articles and even the director himself
Kenneth Lonergan has called it a tragedy. It's even address in the themes section of
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The movie's "present" is definitely no earlier than 2015; the gravestone for Lee's brother Joe says he died in 2015. That hockey game could've gone back to a 2013 flashback, though, given how the film often goes back-and-forth between past and present. What's not entirely clear is whether Joe died
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I know this is minor, but I question putting this film in the category "Films set in 2015" . In the film Ben
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My thing with that is many films have been listed as tragedies by genre and spoken of as such by those who'd made those films. Usually nearly all the adaptations of
Shakespeare's plays or Greek and Roman plays and myths. This is specifically a case of genre. Even though it's a film going by the
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Lonergan wrote, but they didn't work together. That likely influenced Damon's decision to work with the director, but I removed it until a credible reference appears that asserts
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I too think this is correct. Given the nature of the film I too believe IceBrotherhood has the accurate assessment. The genre of this film should be labeled as tragedy. So I concur with UserTwoSix on this. The genre of the article should be changed back to tragedy.
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Otherwise a really excellent article. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, thank you for the chance to hopefully improve it further, onwards and upwards to FAC perhaps? On hold until we sort this trivia out. Cheers.
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