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happens repeatedly in all Arab food articles then you are forcing me to care because this is an obvious nationalistic pov pushing from your part. No one has asked you to censor, but only to be neutral. This is an Arab dish, how is it neutral to have a picture from Israel when there is a good and neutral alternative? The truth is that you and Breein1007 have really no interest in improving the article, but only to push your own nationalistic pov as shown when he removed both manakish pictures thinking that the pizza picture was manakish, he has no idea what he is doing, he has really no idea what manakish is. The same thing with you at this article and many other Arab food articles, for example falafel when you kept on nagging to re ad the gallery and look at it now:
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I agree with Supreme Deliciousness. There be wide spread attempt to discredit Arab food and make look like it "Israeli". We seek bring truth to article while other editor repeatly continue disrupt food article by insert non-neutral and pov foto from "Israel". If "pro-Israel" editors continue
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you added one inappropriate and non-neutral photo, and just because there is a neutral, non-biased alternative, it cant be replaced? If it doesn't matter where a photo was taken, why did you write that it was taken in Israel? And why are you discussing this issue? Why are you inserting Israeli
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So that is the one that should be in the article. The fact that you removed both manakish pictures thinking that the pizza picture was manakish shows that you have no idea what you are doing or what manakish is. Your agenda is to push a nationalistic pov, not in improving the article.
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If the issue is layout, then I guess we'll cut it down to 1 picture for now. I still don't think there is consensus for this change. If someone wants to add a gallery, feel free. Until then, I'll remove the other extra image as well so that we aren't
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Hertz user, please no personal attack me. There be no reason for two exact photo of exact same food in article. Both be of breat with za'atar and the sesame on it. But one photo have strange color and be clear that other photo of better quality.
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