Talk:Marinid dynasty

5328:"If we return to the Far Maghreb (al-Maghreb al-Aqsa), which did not fall into the hands of the Ottoman invasion as mentioned before, We will find that this Arab country in the far northwest of Africa has known the flag in its correct sense six centuries and a few years ago, exactly around the year 1367 AD, during the rule of the Marinid state, or Bani Marin, who ruled Morocco between 610 and 869 AH, and the banner of the Marinids is the oldest Arab flag that historians keep in its details, which is a rectangle of red dresses with an oval-shaped circle in the middle divided into white and green squares. A flag with the same discretion is shown in various charts and maps, but the most important one is Roselli's map, which dates to 1466 AD in the city of Mallorca on the Andalusian coast. 3472:(the most relevant cultural component) in the "Language" section in the lower article, and per that section there are multiple sources stating that a Berber/Tamazight language was spoken at court, just as Arabic was also more widely institutionalized and increasingly spoken in general. The power base of the state (certainly early on) was also the Zanata (Berber) tribes who supported the dynasty, and for what was essentially a tribal military state, that's pretty significant (see "Military" section and sources there). So it's an qualification that, if needed at all, would need to be clearly contextualized and supported with more detailed sources, and that's the kind of thing that should be reserved for the main text, not the lead. 545: 524: 3919:"Originally, the flag of Morocco, used for the first time in the tenth century by the Almoravid Youssef Ben Tachfine, was white, without any ornament. It was the Merinid dynasty that, three centuries later, added the seal of David, a six-pointed star. It is therefore without embarrassment or ambiguity that the Merinids chose the six-pointed star as their emblem, since the Alawites kept it after changing the color of the flag to red, in the XVIIth century. The currency in use in Morocco will also keep, until the beginning of the XXth century, the six-pointed star as a motif." 1399: 450: 5276:

the Christianization campaigns in Andalusia, which explains the information available to him about the North African region and Andalusia, where the Jews were known for their role of mediation between Muslims and Christians - commercial transactions and other things, and he worked for a long period of his life in mapping The map I'm asking to be used as a source was made in 1466 AD in the city of Mallorca on the Andalusian coast, it shows various marinid red banners alongside with others the like zyyanids

2733:, etc). Without any map at all, readers will have no general sense of the territory the Marinids covered, so I'd suggest it would be better to either keep it and make notes about minor issues in the caption if needed, or remove it but start a discussion somewhere (e.g. here or on the image's talk page in Commons, with tags to maybe some users who might help) to flag the problems so that hopefully they can be fixed. The map is used across many wikipedia pages, so it's worth having it resolved. Cheers, 3557:

understanding of the context. Hence why my opinion is that the best way to address it is to simply explain the details and circumstances (e.g. the role of Arabic at the time) rather than drop the term "Arabized" without elaborating. If an addition to the lead is desired, then a sentence on the growing role of Arabic could be easily added to the last paragraph of the lead where it talks about more of the social context, for example. Still, it's more helpful to expand info in the article itself first.

650: 31: 5586:) on the argument that the "dynasty" should be distinguished from the "sultanate", but this does not really matter since there is only one article on the topic and thus no confusion on its scope. While "Marinid Sultanate" is still easily found in scholarly sources, I haven't seen evidence that it's a conventionalized name. Historians most commonly refer to the dynasty to denote the period/polity/topic, as they do for many/most other pre-modern Muslim polities, so this works better for 629: 3358:

removing that subsection entirely (with a diff posted here for later reference). Personally, I'd prefer that editors focus on just updating and expanding the rest of the history section and making sure it's fully sourced. If, let's say, the history section were to be expanded to the point that it becomes a very long read, we could then reconsider whether a chronological summary would be useful (and even then, as you pointed out, many major articles of this type don't have one.)

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tried to reduce nationalistic anachronisms across Knowledge articles. It's better to present readers with more detailed context, without further assumptions, as this lets them figure out what's relevant for themselves; whereas resorting to modern identifications tends to obscure the actual historical dynamics of this region and period. The relevance to Moroccan history is obvious from the lead and from the "History of Morocco" sidebar, as is the case with the relevance of the

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consideration what the reliable historians of that time say. E.g Ibn Khaldun states that the origin of those people (i.e the Marinids) is the region between Sijilmassa, Figuig and the Moloûya river, but sometimes their territory can be extended to as far as the Zab region. Ibn Abi Zar states that their origin is the region between the Zab region and Sijilmassa, He also states that those people were Nomads and their territory was stateless, they were not subject to anyone.

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there's only one small map on Qantara-med to compare with there. I actually quite like Omar-toons's map since it would keep consistency with the look of maps on other pages and it shows the full extent of the Marinid empire (with appropriate dates and shading to show temporary occupation), which is more informative than not doing so. The solution could be to re-verify the maps details there and add sources on its description page, and then consider using it again here.

440: 419: 766: 660: 1053:'The actual Head of the dynasty is Mark Tabili that it comes down from the Sultan Abu Tabil' - does this refer to a present-day descendant? If this info is worth including (no reason why it shouldn't be, if genuine), it could do with being more clearly worded and put in a section of its own, and sourced. (In case this helps, English 'actual' does not mean the same as French 'actuel' - I suspect the word you want is 'current' or 'present-day'.) 555: 1175: 209: 3711:.) The yellow flag mentioned in the second source above is also included as an image in the Art section of the article. One thing that these readings suggest (and which previously seemed likely), is that there isn't necessarily just one "flag", but multiple attested or possible flags, even if they share some similar themes. If these sources don't provide images though, I'm not sure how any user-made image can avoid 2204:

rely on that same book for reference). There's no explicit indication of what other reference the list on this page would be based on, so I'm guessing these are just minor mistakes. I've made corrections and I've added a citation at the beginning of the section just for a little more transparency. If there are other sources providing different dates or names, maybe bring it up here so it can be sorted out. Cheers,

373: 85: 355: 64: 95: 22: 1569: 1487: 738: 4561: 3838:"Yusuf ibn Tachfin was the first to give the flag a Moroccan character. He emphasized its symbolism in the battles that led his power to Andalusia, after having subjected the rules of the flag to a cleverly concocted protocol: the soldiers raised an immaculate white flag, while their leaders brandished a flag on which was inscribed the phrase ' 2776:

literature (e.g. Abun-Nasr p.110-111), so it's not significantly misleading whereas it does provide significant information in return. The sources might not be listed on the image's description page but its creation was clearly researched. I've seen at least one other scholarly book provide a similar map for the Marinids with even less detail.

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Comte de Barcelona... E puis que romanga aquella pau entréis votre filis é los nostres, en tal manera que Vos nos facats ayuda á pendre Cepta, é que nos enviets deu naus armades é deu galees,...». Original source... here you see Marrochs (Marrakech, city) is one think and Benimarins are the country...Bokpasa 14:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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sources talk about the same thing, but this isn't the case since the sources I added mention their origin (the part that I added) as well as the areas they first frequented after leaving their homeland, while the others only mention the areas they first frequented. You removed the content about their origin that was there for years,

3587:, and all the Chinese dynasty articles), perhaps (I assume) because the dynasty name is the relevant identifier of the topic. Both this article and the Saadi article were formerly titled in the form of " dynasty" and were moved to their current names without discussion, and there really wasn't a good principled reason to do so per 3733:(the only other source I could think of) and found that the 8-pointed star flag is attested for the 18th century and after, but not mentioned earlier. I also saw no other flags described precisely for earlier periods except the checkerboard flag of the Almohads. The only evidence mentioned at all in the FOTW web page seems to be 5301:) doesn't show the red flag with octagonal star pattern anyways, and the fact that it shows multiple flags, which could mean multiple different things and which the mapmaker could have based on various old or new sources at the time, makes it all the more important to follow those policies. It's not up to us to do 5507: 5487: 5007:

https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=a8tHDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&dq=Morocco-based+Islamic+dynastic+states&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBsLL9sPGCAxXYRaQEHSgiDjoQ6AF6BAgPEAM#v=onepage&q=Morocco-based%20Islamic%20dynastic%20states&f=false

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The Infobox and the lead are meant to summarize what's in the article's body. In the Almohad Caliphate article for instance where Ibn Tumart's name is mentioned everywhere, I didn't see anyone complaining about it or going through it with a fine tooth comb. Worse still, the Hafsid dynasty article has

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The Banu Marin were Berber nomads belonging to the Zanata tribal group. Ibn Khaldun reports that, before beginning their expansion, they were settled on the edge of the desert, to the east of modern-day Morocco, covering the territories situated between Figuig, Sijilmasa and Muluya, at times reaching

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They controlled it tenuously for a few years only, and not at the same time as they held territory on the Iberian Peninsula. So the current map accurately gives an impression of Marinid control over most of the period. A map of its apogee might be fine, if appropriately sourced, but it would also be

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Likewise I'd say no, it's just one source and there are apparently other sources saying something different, like the one above (from the same publication). There's no point in picking one source and ignoring others, unless there's a clear enough consensus with relevant reliable sources, which there

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I would avoid the term "Arabized" altogether in the lead sentence. It's a loaded term that can mean slightly different things in different contexts and to different readers, and one that would likely apply differently across the dynasty's history. In fact, there is already information about language

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As for Omar-toons's map, as I pointed out in an earlier section above it appears to be well-researched but it does not state its sources clearly in a way that is easy to verify. I've looked at the discussion the French page and it does help, but even those sources aren't clear on all the details and

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Fair enough, if we can find a better map then maybe suggest it as a replacement, but I think the previous map should be reinstated until that happens. The map does specify a very brief period of control over the eastern area and the all the dates provided do match fairly well what is reported in the

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I noticed some minor inconsistencies (in the names and dates) between the list of rulers on this page and the list provided by Bosworth's "New Islamic Dynasties", which is a standard reference, and likewise some inconsistencies between the list and the individual pages for each sultan (which tend to

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Unless other reliable sources come to light, I don't think it would be appropriate to try to replace the flags with something else. Even the white flag from the cited primary source still does not seem unequivocally supported by a secondary academic source (Bennison cited above) which discusses the

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Askelaadden wants to impose a card that he has created himself . But he doesn't respect his source. On the original map, the territory between the merinids and zianids is hatched, to show that this territory passed several times from one to the other . And Askelaadden decided to include this region

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Who are the Merinids? As a tribe belonging to the Zanata Berber family, the Marinids used to roam in the Tell and Moulouya regions of present-day Algeria, without anything distinguishing them from many other tribes. It is their participation as a group in the Battle of Alarcos between the Spaniards

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As far as I can tell, I agree with the above; I'm not sure what's wrong with the added material. Le Tourneau is a heavily cited author in the literature about Morocco, so I see no problem. If there is newer research challenging this information then that could be provided in counterpoint, or if the

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9th Why in 1274 the Marinid king Abu Yusuf wrote to Aragon king: «Manifiesta cosa sia a tots com Nos aben Yusuf Miarammollin Senyor de Marrochs e Feza e Suyamoza, e de ses pertenencias, Senyor deis Benimarins... ab vos noble en Jaume, per la gracia de Deu Rey D'Arago, é de Malloques, é de Valencia,

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Why isn't Knowledge using the one shown in Petros Roselli's map, he's the greatest source, aside from all the 15th century charts and maps that displayed the red marinid flag, Roselli's the most accurate, he belonged to a family of Jewish origin that converted to Christianity with the beginning of

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You are trying to falsify facts and lineages of people that are not yours, as you do in the Arabic version, to make a fake history and make people believe that you are indeed an ancient empire that included the area of Algeria, Western Sahara and Mauritania, even in your response to the official

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Either keep the status as "Sultanate" or remove it entirely as indeed being redundant, given the title. I'm not even sure what the "status" parameter was originally intended for (the infobox's template doesn't say anything specific), but it's not used consistently in all such articles, so it's not

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1) There was no such as Morocco back then, so the "of Morocco" is just plain stupid. 2) Of the three above sources, only one makes such a claim in passing. 3) Who they are and where they come is very important (these were not nationals of a country that crossed to the next). Finally, the status is

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Utter nonsense! The revert of your first attempt at removing content was absolutely necessary (explained in depth above). If anything, you wasted our time by targetting an article over a tiny portion that you don't like. Frankly, I've had enough of this crap. Further unnecessary changes would mean

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From the sources, the Almoravids had an entirely white/black flag, with the Shahada written on it for leaders, that the Saadis, Merinids and Almohads continued using a white standard (with the Almohads also using a checkerboard, and maybe the Merinids having a six-pointed star???). This is getting

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I don't understand what the issue is regarding the persistent removal of sourced content that complements the rest of the article (in no way does it contradict any of it since it's simply stating where they came from before frequenting certain areas). The weight issue only comes into play when the

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If further comment is helpful: I think it's unnecessary to label mentions of Morocco "stupid" in this context, given how many reliable scholarly references about the medieval period use that terminology for convenience, but defaulting to calling it "Morocco" is not consistent with the way we have

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I'm keeping in mind that information about Berber or Arab identity is something that is often targeted by disruptive edits in North African topics on Knowledge, which is why essentially removing "Berber" from the lead, as the IP did, is not only dubious but also invites similar disruptions in the

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That seems unnecessary. Except for really big topics, splitting content across multiple pages has drawbacks that I don't think are worth it. Plus, that section has currently (almost) no sources, so splitting it would just be creating an unsourced article. If anything, I'd say it's an argument for

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What you're trying to do is called hijacking. We can't present different views as the same view just because you're thinking "that it complements the rest of the article". Your sources say that they were first in Biskra than went to the west after the 11th century. The sources that I use say that

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Hello everyone. It is true that the sources do mention that their origin is the Zab region however they don't mention the city of Biskra so why is it mentioned there? We can't identify it like that especially knowing that a lot of Berber regions can share the same name. Also we should take into

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The map that was before 2021 was correct, it shows the Marinid sultanate at its peak. But it was edited and replaced by another one which shows 3 states. i think that the ancient one is more suitable. If you argue that it was a too short dominance, then we have some exemples of states that were

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really needed here? Seems to me it isn't contributing much that isn't covered in the first infobox. Some of its parameters (like "estate") are designed with the landed aristocracy in Europe in mind, not really useful here. It's also not used in any similar articles; neither in the other dynasty

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territory. (Not that you were suggesting doing that, I just mean by comparison with other labels.) There's no dispute about their tribal and ethnic background in any reliable source. Applying the term "Arabized" on top of that is not so much wrong as it is unclear on its own and dependent on an

3478:"founded" in my opinion. It's probably what I would write if I was writing a lead from scratch and I'm happy to help draft an alternative too if editors want. If there's a consensus here for a change to something like that, then we're good to go and we can point to this discussion in the future. 2755:

It's misleading because it attributes a much larger territory to them than they ever controlled. Their brief (we're talking months) capture of some towns along the coast had no lasting effect and is no different than what their neighbours, who competed with them, did (the Hafsids, for instance,

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Abd el-Moumen vit bientôt les Ouemannou l'appeler à leur tète : ils étaient alors débordés par les tribus Ouacine (Zénètes de la deuxième race), qui, repoussées du Zab par les Arabes, remontaient vers Tlemcen..... Ces Ouacines sont les Abd-el-Ouad, les Toudjines et les Beni Merine qui, dans les

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That said, I personally have no problem if the lead sentence is changed to a formulation like "...was an empire ruled by the Marinids, a (Zenata/Muslim) Berber dynasty" etc, similar to Kansas Bear's suggestion above, with other elements moved around accordingly. "Ruled" is slightly better than

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The Marinids are a Zenata tribe that originally roamed the Zab, between Djelfa and Biskra. At the end of the eleventh century, the advance of the Bedouin Arabs pushed them towards the Western High Plains ... In the Tlemcénois, if the Banû Zayân (Zayânids) immediately submitted to the Almohad

3055:"unbrowned" which look nonsensical to me in this context and makes it harder to follow what you're saying. (Edit: I assume that "hatching" must mean the striped areas, so that may be a lack of comprehension on my part, but the slightly agitated writing threw me off more than it should have.) 3054:

That being said: SegoviaKazar, respectfully, I'm not sure what you're talking about. From what I can see, Askelaadden's updated map is pretty much exactly conforming to the source map it's based on. You should also check your writing more carefully because you use words like "hatching" and

3677:"Although white is cited as the colour of the Umayyads, of the Almohad caliphal standard, and of the Marīnid sultan’s banner, it is not clear whether such white banners included religious inscriptions and designs or not. The Marīnid sources simply refer to white as the dynasty’s colour." 1422:

Well, I quit playing, it was just to show you how illogical are you PoV edits and how nobody can accept that (but I don't think that you will understand that since we are repeating that since 2006, but you continue you disruptive editing and edit-warring without paying attention to that.

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Upon close examination of all the cited sources, I certainly see no contradiction between the sources that mention their origin as well as the areas they frequented after leaving their homeland and those that simply mention the areas they frequented before entering present-day Morocco.

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Hi, thanks for the information; Ibn Khaldun and al Idrissi , who are regarded as the greatest historians of their respective era, report that the Banu Marin, a subbranch of the banu wassin, originate from Algeria. These two were the only ones who reported minutely on the Berber's

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Regardless of how, how much and when they controlled those territories. An approriate map with an appropriate legend and notes would be much better. I mean a map that contains their main territory + the largest extent. I hope you got the idea (I'm not a native English speaker).

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cannot be considered as RS for historical claims. In any case, sources mentioning the white banner for the Almoravids can easily be found, but none of them seems to address the issue that was raised by Bennison of whether it included religious inscriptions and designs or not.

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you said that there is no Algeria, although there was the Zayani state whose capital was Tlemcen, so let you know that Marrakech was ruled by Algerians like the tribe of Europe, the Almohads, the Marinids, and the Wattasids, so go and learn history before you talk about it

1595:; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Knowledge. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page. 1513:; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Knowledge. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page. 2292:. Or you're saying this without even reading it? She said in her entry, "The historian Ibn Khaldun, their most famous contemporary, reproduced in his Kitab al-'Ibar the genealogical descent, largely mythical, of the Marinid tribes in the context of the Zanata family, and 5324:

The article lacks the flag and the coat of arms which I'll be getting back to later, but for now I demand adding the marinid flag, which is described according to the "Faisal Magazine" from the "King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies" as a red flag. It says

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PS: "Marinids" is more common in an ngram, but for the trivial reason that the plural noun is always more common in total occurrences, because one does not usually continue to repeat " dynasty" all the time in writing; e.g., the plural "Tudors" occurs more times than

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My only problem right now is with the redundancy of the word "Zab". Since you seem to dislike my suggestions, could you please rephrase it yourself? I'd be glad if you do this favor for me. I really don't believe that we have to discuss such ridiculous stuff.

2725:): what exactly was misleading about the territory map that was removed? I haven't double-checked all the details on it, but roughly speaking it looks about right and doesn't seem more misleading than similar maps used for other Moroccan dynasty articles ( 1393:

Bokpasa, I see that you are using a map that I extracted from a book, out of its context, to justify you PoV. Ok, let's play the same game. Do you think that, on the map above, the country represented in blue is not the same than the one represented in

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says that you must have consensus, the thing that you don't have now. I don't see "Sultanate" as constructive especially when the very title of the article is "Marinid Sultanate". Pobably "Ruling dynasty of modern-day Morocco" would make you happy?

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I'm not entirely opposed to adding a white flag to this article's infobox, as long as it comes with a short caption saying explicitly that it's the representation of the flag found in that first primary source mentioned above. (See how it's done at

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It's less funny when you realize that you are fully aware of the fact that I removed it from the infobox two weeks ago. You didn't say anything back then, instead, you waited for a passing IP to take advantage of the situation and impose your POV.

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They are a Berber pastoral tribe which, after the arrival of the Arab Bedouins in North Africa in the middle of the eleventh century had been obliged to leave their former lands in the region of Biskra and to settle in the high plains around

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I don't understand what the issue is regarding the persistent removal of sourced content that complements the rest of the article (in no way does contradict any of it since it's simply stating where they came from before frequenting certain

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What about this issue? would someone please take necessary measures on OmarToons? he seems unsatisfied with reality (that in fact banu marins originated from the highlands between Tlemcen and Tiaret). I hope this comes to an end. Cordially

2053: 1703: 2345:, "The Marinids Like most Zanata Berbers, the Banu Marin, the founders of the Marinid state, led a pastoral life until they bacame involved in political conflicts with the Almohads. Until the end of the twelfth century this tribe roamed 743:

This article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Since the external publication copied Knowledge rather than the reverse, please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:

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http://books.google.es/books?id=uOEHYN5DATIC&pg=PA330&dq=Mosqu%C3%A9e+des+Andalous&hl=es&ei=iAdDTs-IKsmc-waBs_XFCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

3672:"The Marinid standard was white with red, vertical zigzag lines... Two of the Marinid standards captured in the battle of Salado are yellow in colour and contain lines calling on Allah to protect and grant victory to Abu l-Hassan." 2959:"The Zianid and Hafsid territories don't extend as far in south" : The territory of the Zianids and the Hafsids extend to the south at the same point as the lower south-eastern point of the Marinids (see Figuig), as on my new map. 5758:

I don't see why that would be ideal. There's not too much info on the people, the dynasty, and the sultinate such as would requiring splitting the content across articles. Maybe merging some of those others would be ideal.

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just as appropriate to include it in the body of the article, where that particular period is discussed, instead of the infobox, which is a summary of the entire topic. So either way, nothing's wrong with the current map.

1376:@Bokpassa: I'm sorry but your poor understanding of English will make it very difficult to communicate. Also, you should reply below other people's comments not in the middle because it gets messy and impossible to read. 4897:

It is stupid in this context because anyone who's familiar with this and other similar subjects would know that "readers' convenience" is the last thing in the heads of those who insist on applying a double standard.

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I noticed an IP changing the Lead sentence of the article. They also included a reference for Arabized. Granted a simple reference would not be enough to include a cultural statement within the Lead of an article(per

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Roger Le Tourneau is a recognized specialist on the Marinids. His book "Fez in the Age of the Marinides" is described by C. R. Pennell (the author of Morocco Since 1830: A History) as the classic English work on the

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I won't deny the fact that the source is of high quality, however its map doesn't concern only the Marinids but also the Wattasids. The Marinid state in its peak controlled all of North Africa... that's a fact.

3567:" can refer to the office of the sultan as much as it can refer to the state, so "empire" or "state" is perhaps more precise for this purpose, and is one of the commonly-used formulations in similar leads (e.g. 884:. I don't speak Arabic, but I believe "A" is stronger than "E" in this language. But since I don't speak English either, I may be wrong, when you translate Arabic into English. But A are always better than E... 3737:

of a Moroccan flag at Army Museum in Paris, which the caption claims was captured in the 19th century. It seems like a flag resembling this exists at a later period, but so far there's no evidence of it before

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3. Abu-Nasr says that "Until the end of the twelfth century this tribe roamed the area between Figuig and the basin of the Mulwiyya". Same as above, this does not contradicts what the first three sources say.

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A quick look at Shatzmiller's Bibliography of her entry (in p:574) will tell you why it's more extensive and reliable, than an 1969 work about the "Almohad movement" that uses two sources (Ben Cheneb 1921 and

3806:"Ibn Khaldūn points out that the Merinid army, unlike that of the Almohads and the Nasrids, deployed a hundred flags of various colors, while the generals and lieutenants are equipped with small white flags." 3533:

My hope was to have the IP engage in discussion and find a middle ground. I see things in the article that the sultanate could be considered Arabized and at the same time I see things that the sultanate was

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There is no problem as the map in the article is more than adequate and of a better quality that some mumbo jumbo that potrays the French and Spanish protectorates in a very strange way (to say the least).

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Would putting the chronology of events into a new page be a good idea? Other wikipedia history pages does not include a long list of year-events. It would look cleaner and be consistent to the other pages

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https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=Vl5YrF16t-gC&pg=PA48&dq=banu+marin+aur%C3%A8s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nZGUVLzbFITgaMvmgbAP&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=banu%20marin%20aur%C3%A8s&f=false

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https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=Vl5YrF16t-gC&pg=PA48&dq=banu+marin+aur%C3%A8s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nZGUVLzbFITgaMvmgbAP&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=banu%20marin%20aur%C3%A8s&f=false

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PS: This map of Spain it`s wrong, Spain was too Ifni, Tarfaya, Ecuatorial Guinea, Canary Islands, Ceuta, Melilla, Protectorate of Tetuan, and Western Sahara in this time!Bokpasa 12:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

3628:, which doesn't inspire confidence: it looks more like a forum message board-style page for flag lovers, where different contributors add information without citing sources of their own, and the website's 2054:

http://books.google.ca/books?ei=8AG9TI64HsH78AbnyNj0Dg&ct=result&hl=fr&id=EQJFAAAAIAAJ&dq=Les+civilisations+de+l%27Afrique+du+nord%3A+Berb%C3%A8res-Arabes+Turcs.&q=ouacine+aur%C3%A8s+

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Which should be the name used in the English wikipedia, taking into account that there many alternate spellings in the other languages (see Marinid article for the other language links). Please add your

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The problem is that the map is unsourced, as was already explained above long before you started edit-warring. So as long as there's no equally well-sourced map to replace it with, nothing will change.

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What some sources mention in passing is indeed irrelevant. There was such thing as Morocco, Algeria or Tunisia back then. That's fact! In any case, that claim wouldn't belong there even if it was true.

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2nd, thanks to give us, not a source since I don't think that a source for such affirmation can exist, but a logic for your approach and an explanation for your (supposed, but inexistent) argumentation.

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Sounds logical, but in practice those are generally covered together, as in this article, so we just need to choose a title. The "sultanate" view seems rather rare compared to the "dynasty" view.

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As for any of the other articles/dynasties mentioned, there's nothing usable here. Unless we have a reliable source providing a direct visual representation of a known flag, anything else would be

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conquerors, the Marînids resisted them, but they were defeated and had to fall back around 1145 to the desert margins, between Figuig, Tafilalt and the upper Moulouya where they led a nomadic life.

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The template does mention the status parameter (Status of country, especially useful for micronations), so in essence it's either Sultanate or nothing (since it's already mentioned in the title).

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Then, that doesn't make them "of Algerian descent", espacially when we know that all the areas where they settled in the Western Maghreb from the 11th to the 13th c. were part of the -Moroccan-

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I would point out, though, that the label "Berber" (and/or Zanata) for the Marinids is very established and normally used by reliable sources, so it cannot be avoided/denied without going into

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What you say may be correct about Hafsid territories in Tunisia and Tripolitania, but certainly they managed to establish dominance over the Zayyanid territories for a relatively long period.

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Equally, there was also "Algeria" and "Tunisia" back then probably with some other name. What's your point? It doesn't belong there because the status of a Sultanate is obviously "Sultanate".

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The Zab (the Ziban in some English sources, el Zab in Arabic, le Zab or les Zibans in French) and the M'Zab valley are two different regions. Creating the Zab article might not be a bad idea.

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Hi, this is a 1909 book, a 110 years old book can legitimately be considered as being outdated. Also, do you have the number of the page that is supporting an Algerian origin please ? Thanks.

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The other sources simply mention the areas they frequented prior to entering present-day Morocco. Nothing strange about that given the fact that the tribe led an uneventful life before that.

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2. Powers says that they "frequented the area between Figuig and Sijilmasa until the fifth/eleventh and sixth/twelfth centuries". This does not contradicts what the first three sources say.

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That's not a fact. They never established dominance over the the other territories and never managed to unite the Maghreb as the Almohad had done before them (that was their dream).

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It's really funny how you suggest i read 3RR, while you are literally now in violation of that rule. You've made now 4 reverts in 24 hours, theoretically you must be blocked now.

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Thanks, this is helpful and is somewhat consistent with the source that the IP tried to cite. (Incidentally, the same page you cited in the Bennison source appears to discuss the

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information has somehow been discredited more clearly then that could be discussed here with sources. Otherwise it's just part of the historical background of the tribe. Cheers,

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The very fact that there is an edit war over how strictly the current map needs to adhere to the properly sourced map it's based on is a clear reminder of the importance of the

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Being there for years is not an argument. Are you implying that removing an outdated 1909 work is a bad thing? Or just because it was there for years we should leave as it is?

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The Zayyanid sultanate was a small kingdom so it didn't have that much territories. Also it was the weakest kingdom in the Maghrib region (compared to Marinids and Hafsids).

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No it doesn't. When i saw your revert i started searching in the edit history (because i remember that "Ruling dynasty of Morocco" was the former expression used for statue)

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I would avoid the term "Arabized" altogether in the lead sentence. It's a loaded term that can mean slightly different things in different contexts and to different readers..

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To help the readers, I chose to quote the easily accessible Berber encyclopedia, though it's worth knowing he says more or less the same thing in his book about the Marinids.

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topic directly. If we do use it, we should make clear in the caption that it comes from that particular primary source and maybe leave a footnote citing Bennison's comment.

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Instead of starting a publishing war and wanting to impose a totally imaginary unbrowned map, you've should have come to the discussion page to explain how the map is wrong.

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for example). But I also don't think it adds anything informative to the article, given how limited and uncertain the issue is, so its value is questionable in my opinion.

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future. For what it's worth, describing the Marinids and other dynasties as a "Berber empire" is wording you find easily enough in reliable sources (e.g. see these quick

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The issue is already discussed in in the "Flags" discussion above. That flag is fictitious and only ever originated on Knowledge or other non-reliable internet sources.

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Hi R Prazeres, thank you for your comment here. My suggestion above was "ruling dynasty of modern-day Morocco" i don't think it implies any "nationalistic anachronism".

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PS: If there is a significant amount of new information in the future about the Almoravid flag specifically, it might merit starting a new discussion about it on the

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I am seeing no mention of the Marinids on that page. I would suggest you show the quote indicating the Marinids/Mérinides came from "Algeria", else this is simply

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1) I believe the diff. 2) This doesn't a change a thing to what I said about taking advantage of the situation. 3) I'm done here (now that you are fully aware of

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Fromherz, who doesn't pretend to be a specialist, refers the reader to check out "L 'Historiographie Mirinide: Ibn Khaldun et ses Contemporains" by Shatzmiller.

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I don't understand why you keep fiddling with the sentence. What exactly is wrong with it and why do you think that the mention of Ifriqiya is an improvement?

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considerations (the former is very large) and due to the abundance of scholarship focusing on the Fatimids themselves, which makes a split more constructive.

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Why isn't the red marinid flag shown in the article for it's well known they had a red flag adorned with an 8-pointed star formed from 2 superimposed squares

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Can this be considered this enough to add a white flag on the Amoravids' infobox? I don't think it can be enough to draw a conclusion on the Merinid flag. --

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Accoding to the famous historian and sociologist Ibn Khaldoun, the Banu Marin alongside the Zianids, are a sub-branch of the Wassin that originates from the

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I just wanted to tell you that it wasn't hard for me to find sources describing the Marinids as a ruling dynasty of Morocco. (Because that's what they were)

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Starting a discussion about it seems like a good idea and with so many sourced maps around, I'm pretty sure we'll quickly find a decent one to replace it.

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the content that was there for years, under the pretext that it wasn't properly sourced and now that it is, you're looking for another excuse to remove it.

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Mouline also just says that it's "of white colour". As Bennison notes in the quote above, that doesn't tell us whether it was blank or had other details.

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Here's what the sources that mention their origin as well as the areas they frequented after leaving their homeland say (some are translated from French):

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Yes, it is redundant. The fact that the Marinid dynasty was founded by Abd al-Haqq is mentioned in the lead, the infobox, and in the Rise subsection.

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short lived but we still consider their political presence in the territories they conquered, like the napoleon's conquests or the empire of China.

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Certainly not. I made a rephrase to eliminate the redundancy of "Zab". If the mention of Algeria was bothersome to me, I wouldn't keep it in this

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If and when enough source information concerning their Arabized culture is in the article then that could be added just before the word "Muslim".

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In the first paragraph of the history section, there's a red link to the "Zab" region of Algeria, and I note that the cited source does indeed say

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This is not a common name issue, these are two different topics, and the names apply to different subjects. The argument that needs to be made is

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managed to extend their territory eastwards as far as Ceuta and Sijilmassa). The only part that the Marinids controlled intermittently is Tlemcen.

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This article, written by historian Nabil Mouline, claims that the Merinids used a white banner, with every Zenata tribe having their own flag. -

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There is no mention of the 8-pointed star in what I found so far (interestingly, the primary source that the IP used is mentioned by Bennison):

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a section dedicated to the grandfather of Abu Zakariya, again with nobody making a fuss about it. This is just to say that I'm not buying it.

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I think the wattasid, this page and the Saadi should all be merged and the page should be called kingdom of morocco, now don’t you think? -

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PS: As an aside to your question about the terms "sultanate" or "empire": in my opinion it doesn't matter too much. Technically speaking, "

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I don't need to include anything and I'm not the one who's trying to gut a specific article, you are. Anyway, the matter is now resolved.

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I totally agree with you on the relevance of the Omar-toons map. And I also agree to add the missing sources and use the map again here.

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And the same could be said about "Berber", even though I have read a Berber cultural cue in the article that would indicate the term "

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they were first in the (Figuig and Sijilmasa region) than went to the north after the 11th century. You don't see the contradiction? -

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It seems your points have been thoroughly debunked in the discussion linked by Omar-Toons, There is no reason to revisit it. Regards

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No, they didn't (besieging a town is hardy controlling anything). Anyway, these endless discussions about maps are getting tiresome.

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because this is the name Encyclopaedia Brittanica use and I found it more often in my English-based research (note what happens in a

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It's not printed on the book but it gives an overview of the size of the state, The Marinids did conquer the Ziyanids and Hafsids.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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Tlemcen is not the "the Zayyanid territories". This is exactly the utter waste of time that I was referring to. I'm done here.

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Hi, this is in an article was written by Ruth Grosrichard, professor of Arabic language and civilization at Sciences Po Paris.

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Having followed their advice, here's what Shatzmiller says in her book about the Marinids (this time expressing her own views):

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Ahmed Khaneboubi is a scholar who has published two books on the Marinids and is responsible for the Marinid's article in the

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The page number that you asked for is 136. Here's the part (in French) that supports what's already mentioned in the article.

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At any rate, like you said, I invite others to weigh in on the form of the lead sentence. Thanks for starting a discussion.

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Nomadic Zeneta Berbers from the Zab, in Ifriqiya, where they were driven out by the Banû Hilāl Arabs in the 11th century.

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I am talking about Ibn Khaldun because he dedicated a sizeable part of his life in tracing berber genealogies. His book,

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Marinid dynasty, was a country as weel a dynasty, but a former dynasty of Morocco.Bokpasa 21:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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region? (Which seems to make some sense in context.) Just checking if we can replace a red link with an existing link.

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under the pretext that it wasn't properly sourced, and now that it is, you're looking for another excuse to remove it.

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No, the second siege actually was a victory for the Marinids, as a result Tlemcen was Marinid for more than a decade.

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Alright that makes sense. Yeah, leave it for now with an eye to remove it if other editors expand the history section

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Telquel and LeDesk are obviously unreliable and Nabil Mouline's source doesn't add anything to what we already have.

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Hi, I've already provided the link sourcing the Algerian origin of the Merinids in a previous talk related section.

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But I have put some of the info I'm not 100% is merged in HTML comments at the bottom in case I missed something. —

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Let's cut to the chase: If the mention of Algeria is bothering you, say it and we'll try to do something about it.

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R Prazeres thank you for your intervention. I'm sorry if I'm not very clear, I'm not very comfortable with English.

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3 rd, Ronda, Algeciras and Gibraltar, was part of This Empire, or you think Gibraltar are part of Morocco as Ceuta?

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Wasting our time? What kind of a response is that? Is that you could think of after asking me to do you a favour?

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http://www.jafi.org.il/JewishAgency/English/Jewish+Education/Compelling+Content/Jewish+History/1300+BCE++1996+CE/

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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P.S: This is EN:wiki, make some efforts in finding English sources and writing intelligible English. Thank you.

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says that its accuracy is variable. Unless there are independent sources we could cite, this sure doesn't seem

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Familias de Fez: ss. XV-XVII Escrito por Fernando R. Mediano, Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas,

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There was a "Morocco" back then Probably with some other name but it did exist. Why doesn't it belong there?

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According to your logic, the kingdoms of Castille-Aragon and Spain are not the same thing... don't you think?

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isn't controversial. No doubt we can agree on this. But which should be the name used for the final article?

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Also i still think that the statement about his grandfather is undue, but it can be moved to the article of

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which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —

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I see no sources supporting your opinion presented here. Compared to the Britannica source that states, "

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2)- No the three of of them are supporting the fact that the Marinids were a ruling dynasty of Morocco.

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2nd 1240/ 1 (643 AH) attacks on the Almohad Empire (Histoire des Berbères of Ibn Khaldoun, Paris 1978,

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frequented the area between Figuig and Sijilmasa until the fifth/eleventh and sixth/twelfth centuries

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and in theory you could both be blocked right now. Wait until the talk page discussion is resolved.

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Unfortunately, I'm now believing that a UserRfC is the only way to find a solution to this problem.

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is at dynasty. Whichever is the odd one out should probably be considered after this RM finishes.

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Based on everything so far, I'm going to suggest removing the flag from this infobox and from the

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If i understand you correctly you're contesting that this dynasty was Moroccan, regarding that:

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Moroccan geographer Al Idrissi reports that the Banu Marin lived between Tiaret and Tlemcen.

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1. Shatzmiller and Fromherz are simply mentioning what Ibn Khaldun said about the Marinids:

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1)- so according to you mentions of Morocco in RS (like Britannica) is nothing but stupid?

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even if you think the other editor is being unreasonable. Both of you have violated the

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I agree that being a just a repetition of what's in the Infobox, it serves no purpose.

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Hatching starts in ghazaouet and ends not far from Oran ! It's very clear in the source

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the Le Desk article is based out of an interview with Nabil Mouline, this can be used

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3rd, thanks to avoid editing articles without discussion, based only on your opinions.

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Not!, Ibn Jaldun wrote about 2 countries, Marinids and Almohads, not only dynasties..

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5th thanks to avoid editing articles without discussion, based only on your opinions.

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You have been blocked and warned before for vandalism on articles related to Morocco

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You take the Hafsid territory down to Sijilmassa and not to Figuig as in the source.

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You have been blocked and warned before for vandalism on articles related to Morocco

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Yes it was outdated (1909) and the second was a sociologist's non-specialist work.

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originated in the region surrounding the improbably remote oasis village of Figuig.

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Can anyone point so some reputable references for this topic? Thanks in advance! —

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in the Zianid territory, which is a source diversion and an "unpublished work". --

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and the Almohads in 1196 that signals their first appearance as historical actors.

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http://www.qantara-med.org/qantara4/public/show_document.php?do_id=604&lang=fr

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and why straying away from it (by using one that is either unsourced or based on

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and, temporarily, in other parts of northern Africa during the 13th–15th century.

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is at the Sultanate title, although that was also from an undiscussed move, and

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It's alright now. You've done a great work. And thank you for wasting our time.

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01:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC) I'll also add that we should'nt merge a "tribe" (see

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Probably "Tunisia" (the hafsid capital was literally Tunis) but not "Algeria".

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Thanks, I'll remove it then. If anyone disagrees, we can discuss further here.

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although now that I think about it, should it be sultanate instead of "empire"?

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The merinid territory extends a little further EAST than sijilmassa not west !!

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Ibn Khaldun: The Mediterranean in the 14th Century : Rise and Fall of Empires

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Piquet says that they lived in both Zibans (page 370) and Ifrikiya (page 364)

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then you may need to upload it to Knowledge (Commons does not allow fair use)

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then you may need to upload it to Knowledge (Commons does not allow fair use)

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I removed the wikipedia link for Marabuts. It leads to an irrelevant entry.

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They do and it's not the city that is mentioned, it's the region. This has

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We know what Ibn Khaldun said (this is already mentioned in the article):

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Possibly, which would be a naturalness/recognizability call I suppose.

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stop the edit war and resolve both your differences by discussion here.

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Now please choose what format you think the article title should take.

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the zianid territory does not extend southward to figuig, it goes up.

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The map is not unbrowned, Omar-toons explained which map he based on.

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The merinid territory extends a little further west than sijilmassa.

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articles relevant to Morocco, nor for example in a GA article like

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infobox (equally unsupported). I'll also remove the flag from the

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It doesn't complement the rest of the article, it contradicts it.

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necessary. Either way, stop edit-warring about it (both of you).

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Anyway, would this change be acceptable to all parties involved?

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https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Carte_Empire_Mérinide_XIVe.jpg

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going back to the stable version and waiting for a third party.

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were not German since they contained Austria & Alsace?. And

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The Zianid and Hafsid territories don't extend as far in south.

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Les institutions gouvernementales sous les Mérinides: 1258-1465

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settle in the plains of the north-west of what is now Algeria

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This is the reference I provided following the recent change:

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First, thanks to write an understandable sentence in English.

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The Articulation of Power in Medieval Iberia and the Maghrib

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Hafsid territory doesn't extend so far east into the source.

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siècles suivants, joueront un rôle considérable en Berbérie.

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8 safar 943 (1536), battle of Bu Aqba, Saadían vs Wattasis (

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1st Marinids were a nomadic tribe (According to Ibn Battuta)

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Hey all, it seems that since the family tree was added (in

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Probably Western Maghreb or al- Maghrib al-Aqsa would fit.

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I had a go at simplifying it. Normally, that should do it.

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The Gibraltar Crusade Castile and the Battle for the Strait

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I am Moroccan, i know the history of my country, thank you.

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Why thirty years before his succession supesta they fought?

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triggered demographic disturbances that compelled them to

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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infobox since it is based on the same unreliable source.

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Hatching starts in ghazaouet and ends not far from Oran.

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There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger

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to a source, especially when reverting someone's edit.

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The above does not contradicts the first three sources.

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is considered the most complete book about the Berbers.

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Unnecessary reverts are nothing but a waste of time.

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Are you say 3 years=40 years?? or civil war=invasion?

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http://materiaislamica.com/index.php/File:Map_27.jpg

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Capitel meriní, de Virgilio Martínez Enamorado, 2006

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Category:Morocco articles missing geocoordinate data

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4th find some of Bu-Tata.... was another contry....

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