1471:, I think we're in the section for "Works First Published Outside the U.S. by citizens of foreign nations", in the row "1927 through 1977: Solely published abroad..." in which case they would not have been PD in Australia in 1996 (the URAA date) and are therefore not PD in the US for 95 years -- 2046, in other words. If that's correct, they can't be hosted in commons, and in fact are fair use, so you'd only be able have one or two of them in the article. As I said, I'm not an image expert, and am prepared to have someone else point out what I'm getting wrong here. If you agree with me, I think we have to pick one to use in the article and move it to en-wiki and delete the others from commons. If you want another opinion, I'll post a query at the copyright noticeboard, or you can call in an image expert if you know one. In the meantime I'll look through the article again just to make sure there's nothing else outstanding for GA.
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