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BT2, what's your problem? Hitler's visit and allied bombing of the city were important historic events. And as the page says, there were many
Germans living in the town who welcomed Hitler. Also, many local Slovenians at the time were nostalgic of Austria-Hungary and initially welcomed Germans. It's
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I recently came across a paper of the
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Most of the history section looks something like history of mariborian demographics... First it goes through about 700 years of history in a single paragraph and then the period of some 20 years is written on a whole page with detailed demographic info. And every single city quarter has it's german
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I don't know where he first said "make me this land German again". However, the fact that he may have gave that order orally or in writing before his visit to
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Hitler never made the speech about 'making this land German again' from the balcony of the city main hall. How could he if he never had any speech from that balcony? This is just one of those popular folk anecdotes and nothing more. A common misconception if you
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Hitler never made the speech about 'making this land German again' from the balcony of the city main hall. How could he if he never had any speech from that balcony? This is just one of those popular folk anecdotes and nothing more. A common misconception if you
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Maybe change the text to something like Hitler's visit to be "...in context with his orders to make this land German again...", leaving out the part where those words were actually said? That way, the text would be historically
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As a citizen of city of Maribor from the latest information about population in the city I have to say that city in year 2016 had 115,000 inhabitants and it is going up.So please correct that because it is one BIG mistake.
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Sorry for so suddenly butting in like this, but I think this will help that in 1942-1943 the third Reich annexed northern Slovenia in the attempt to make Marburg and the surrounding areas 'German Again'.--
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