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1050:); the concept just happens to have been named and popularized in Japan and not, say, the US or UK due to a combination of factors including stark differences in cultural taboos (e.g. bowel related words and topics are not taboo for public discourse in Japan like they are in the West). Yes, the Japanese article being translated here is probably too long in proportion to the significance of its content. Once the translation is complete in the next year or so and the full shape of the article is clear to those reading it in English, me or someone else can try winnowing it down. 1032:, and seems to be a compilation rather than an encyclopedic distillation. In fact, it seems to be trying to answer the question of whether the phenomenon is real and if so, what causes it. The total lack of restraint in compiling this "pile of writing" includes the failure to differentiate the types of publications which publish about the phenomenon. What may be an urban myth is described as a medical condition. I recommend a total cleanup and condensation down to fewer than 10,000 bytes,-- 102: 81: 531: 423: 405: 247: 601: 50: 521: 503: 112: 21: 433: 846:
I have the book in my office and looked at it yesterday. It mentions a childhood memory of going to a bookstore and feeling the sphincter tighten, or something like that. It's hardly the same, and if a cause can be assigned from context, it's the excitement of seeing so many books. Thanks Jun Kayama,
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Despite being dismissed wholesale as an "urban legend" in the English article (current as of the time of this post), this is a fascinating and valid topic whose original Japanese article is extensive and warrants exposure in more languages. I intend to work on translating key parts of the original
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Looks like someone has cleaned up the article. Sorry for letting the translation process drag on too long and leaving the formatting etc. to others. I guess a separate website/blog/book would be a preferable medium for sharing the more meandering thinking on this topic.
1068:, I see that more than 80% of the content was added by you. Any chance you might take the time to properly format your references? Many of them are formatted as wikilinks that don't go to anything. (See refs #73 to 138 as examples) And from the 810:
Actually I, GU9udoy6Kg, read the Japanese translation of that book and on Page 38, it states "When I enter a bookstore, I am beset by a strange sensation. Even then, my bowels shifted and blood coursed through my
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Thanks DAJF. On the verifiability/sources point, do we get around any such flaws in the original Japanese article by making it clear that the English article is (at least to begin with) just a translation?
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The article isn't clear whether the phenomena is meant as "the person needs to defecate because their body's telling them to" or as "the person would like to defecate, but does not necessarily need to".
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in this article. For now, I'm removing it, since I have a nagging suspicion that the only thing there is some passing reference to something only vaguely related, on page 19.
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That's great. If you are new to Knowledge, I would suggest taking the time first to read through the policy concerning the need for material in Knowledge articles to be
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The reason why I put the reference in this article is too complicated to explain exactly in English since my English is so poor. Please forgive me for using Japanese.
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It's a causally complex but valid phenomenon experienced and reported in countries outside Japan (for example at the 13 min mark of this Australian podcast:
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But according to the Tokyo Shinbun article of April 29, 2012, there apparently is someone in the United States that has touched on the phenomenon.
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article into English, bit by bit. I'm a newbie at Knowledge editing so all are welcome to contribute and point me in the right direction.
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Web page: "Is that really true?" I asked a girl who works the truth of "I suddenly feel a sense of convenience at a bookstore"
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It is much appreciated if someone would translate my explanation into English. Thank you for your kindness. --
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section down, you didn't use ref tags at all. Of the formatted refs, I randomly machine-translated a few:
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That Hamamoto found such a passage goes against any notion this phenomenon could be exclusive to Japanese.
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references to reliable sources. Most refs lack sufficient information for anyone to verify the content.
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The publisher of "Hon no Zasshi" Shigeru Hamamoto mentioned that there was a passage suggesting it in
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a bowel movement. One of them has so much anxiety that he/she cannot even go shopping for books! (
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Web page: "Constipation women's must-see!? I tried to open a girls' party in a certain place"
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Maybe it's caused by people reading on the toilet. Make that illegal, and problem solved.
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Translating this was a waste of my time, and I don't think this oblique reference in
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Those who are affected by the phenomena seem to more or less commonly have an
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I believe in English Knowledge this reference in passing should be retained.
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and make sure that the important parts added are supported by
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I believed this phenomenon was restricted to just Japanese.
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The Mariko Aoki phenomenon is somewhat well known in Japan.
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No. Text needs to be properly sourced in its own right. --
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is, apparently. Can't claim any firsthand experience.
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In contrast, outside of Japan it is entirely unknown.
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