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Marriage is possible according to law but Gov. itself do not recognizes but there have been many same sex marriages in India all in different Hindu Rituals. Saptapadi is not common to all hindu community, See thali and other. Also all Samhitas have different view on many matters depending on Time and place they were composed. The most famous method to define marriage in India is to say, whatever goes with the local custom. :)
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Hinduism, there are most certainly reliable academic works out there. Those will provide far stronger support for what you're trying to put into the article. I didn't go through every single link in the paragraph removed, but I'm inclined to agree with Timovinga here. I
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Hinduism, and what that entails. It would be great to see some discussion of things like marriage ceremony variations among different Hindu communities (with specific examples, if possible), some discussion of elements of the marriage
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Muslims and in particular Pakistanis/Persians/Arabs who find said writing controversial. There's an ethnocultural divide in India that doesn't make sense in western racial norms, and Muslims having been subject to a lot
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You are removing large amounts of text without going to the effort of ensuring that the text you remove has a valid reason. Not only was most of the text not written by me, but also you have shown that you disagree with valid sources such as the SCMP, Tamil
Culture and The Quint as well, so there is
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Hinduism citing vague reasons such as "unreliable sources" even when numerous sources have been provided including both primary and secondary sources. I suggest that if he continues to remove text then he
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