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English, this means that if we can't do a job better and better then no one can have any more, and so whatever life you have is all you are going to have...unless we can increase productivity. Since all living systems that reach their peak inevitably go into decline, following Marxist theory will result in reification of productivity, and hence lack of productivity increase and then inevitable decline. Marx tried his best to figure out how economics works, but the science he was using was just not up to the job. We are doing a much better job today of understanding economic growth and decline, which Marx himself surely would have agreed with. This essentially consigns Marxism to the dustbin of history...while the idea of revolution is surely attractive to many who feel repressed, there is nowhere to look but one's own circle of productivity for the answer. Workers of the world...get to work!
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Why are they even on this page? I don’t think Stalin is known for his theoretical contributions (heard he'd had a mean streak with intellectuals) or Deng's commitment to worker's liberation but maybe there should be a page dedicated for bureaucratic state-capitalism that gets called "Socialism and or
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Plekhanov, no mention of Ilyenkov, one of the most important Soviet philosophers... No Ai Siqi, no real treatment of Marxism-Leninism or Marxism-Leninism-Maoism as developments of Marxist philosophy. No mention of
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