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911:. Martin Reese, for example, does not use his title in his professional publications. They don't even generally use their university title in them. In fact, when one sees a book by "Dr. Smith" it is often a sign that the material is sub-standard and the publisher is using the title to try to boost sales. The references to Warnock that I have seen are her book and article bylines, and Mary Warnock is what is generally used. When one searches for a person on google or wikipedia one doesn't generally use a full name unless the shorter version is too common. So that is my rationale, but I'm just one voice here. -- 260: 239: 451: 433: 187: 207: 349: 328: 359: 690: 674: 658: 642: 49: 739: 718: 125: 97: 21: 749: 66: 544: 1126: 505: 554: 135: 852:
Thanks for your comments. I tried to move the name to "Mary Warnock", but the software would not allow it. Rather than put in a request for administrator assistance, I did what I thought was the next best thing. I am happy to change the peerage title back to the double name as it seems to be the
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Hmm, I am out of my league here. Generally the standard is to title an article by the most commonly used name. Formal titles are listed in the intro, but not used in the article title (unless the person is known by the formal title). I am more familiar with the scientific community, and the
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Apparently if the redirect name has a history, the move will not take place. The article name Mary Warnock has had two changes (one by me), so I guess I will have to list this article on the change request page to get it changed from Helen Mary Warnock to Mary Warnock.
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Another editor changed the article title from "Helen Mary Warnock" to "Mary Warnock, Baroness Warnock", so I have taken the liberty of changing the text above to reflect this. The request to change the title to "Mary Warnock" remains.
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Completely agree. I've never seen why this particular set of titles get added when others don't. But I guess there are people who both know and care, who have haggled over this already, so ours not to reason why!
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proper way, but it should not be used as the article title. Warnock is known by her pre-title name just as Margaret Thatcher is. I will attempt the move to "Mary Warnock" again. --
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https://web.archive.org/web/20150501005945/http://www.hfea.gov.uk/docs/Warnock_Report_of_the_Committee_of_Inquiry_into_Human_Fertilisation_and_Embryology_1984.pdf
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It is suggested that the article name be changed from "Mary Warnock, Baroness Warnock" to the more common use "Mary Warnock".
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I've split this into subsections. It may seem like there is not enough content for that, but I am planning to expand. --
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