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Ah right. A little context here - I work for a contractor doing streetworks on behalf of BT. We deal with the councils in "Tyne and Wear" - Newcastle, Gateshead etc... and we're always looking for decent maps to show the council areas. This would have been perfect but for the Tyne and Wear reference.
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We have three pages covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties: this one, and two covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties individually. On balance I think we could cover the topic adequately here, however I'm also open to retaining the two individual articles and blanking this
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No. This article is current and correct. With reference to the LGA1972, unitary authorities are legislated as ceasing to form part of their original non-metropolitan county and forming a new non-metropolitan county of a single district with the exception of the districts of
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Yes. Under legislation the unitary authorities are non-metropolitan counties as defined by the LGA1972. Unfortunately it is not that simple and they also have the status of non-metropolitan districts. So you could include them in an infobox as county or district or both. In practice they are
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Can I suggest that the following is slightly reworded for clarity? "On April 1, 1996, the unpopular counties of Avon, Humberside and
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But the "current counties" map suggests there are hundreds of counties, which are mostly just towns? Didn't the former
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as though they were counties. Most articles for districts and boroughs do show the boundaries, but they do so on a very plain pink map showing only the boundaries of entities at the same level. I expect this is no use to you as you would need maps showing roads, rivers, etc
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the local authority boundaries (so you can see where they are on the ground, not just as a vague area of the UK). Have you tried multimap? At certain zoom levels it uses 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 OS maps, which I believe will show local council boundaries.
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