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I have often wondered, on reading the articles on medical slang - mainly unkind or derogatory references to the sick or to colleagues - how much of this is ever used by anyone. In over thirty years in medicine I have never come across most of these terms outside the media. The same stuff seems to be
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I'm reading it as I'm a GP and I couldn't remember if it was the rule of 5 or the rule of 9... unfortunately it's the rule of 5.... (rule of 9 is a burn rule of thumb) anyway, it was useful, and, dare I say it, encyclopaedic.
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