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In the end, after trying to seriously 'take sides' and thus 'make a difference', and paying dearly for it, Megara eventually settled into a sort of pacifistic diplomatic stance. They avoided taking sides, agreeing with everyone, and fighting for no one. Their Navy dwindled to only a few ships capable
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Wow, that was scary. Anyway, the Euclid you are directing from this page is not the one who was born in Megara, but the father of geometry. The one born in Megara is the often-confused Euclid of Megara, philosopher living a century before the more popular Euclid, thus the change. (And, uh, good luck
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Hi! Back in my college days I read a small book that was a professor's long dissertation on Megara. It dealt with the problems faced by Megara during the
Peloponnese Wars. Essentially it detailed the difficulties of a "small" (but wealthy) power sitting between two much larger powers (Sparta vs.
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Megara maintained its independence and was never absorbed by its larger neighbors, but due to its strategic location ― yet relatively small size ― it was unable to avoid getting embroiled in the various political, military and diplomatic events of ancient
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I modified the coordinates to match the city hall. I'm not 100% sure this follows guidelines though: I choose a rather precise number, as degrees + minutes of 37° 59′ N, 23° 20′ E placed the location outside of Megara's street grid.
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Again, let me say that I love the article, and have no fault with it. I just feel like Megara needs a little more exposition for the reader to fully grasp all that happened during its rich and storied history!
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The following coordinate fixes are needed for Megara: These coordinates are obviously wrong. Currently they sit on the North side of Euboea. Megara City Hall is around 37.9963006, 23.3444365
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All I am suggesting is a few tweaks to bring some of this fascinating struggle closer to the surface for the reader.
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