Talk:Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign/Archive 1

2629:. I doubt that this incident will be remembered even 3 months from now, let alone 3 years or 10 years from now. In fact, I've been surprised at how much attention it's received in the media. Tempest in a teapot. I guess they have to make up news when things are slow. So I favor not including a mention of Cookiegate in the article. (That opinion could change if there continues to be ongoing discussion in the media and among political commentators about Cookiegate. I, for one, would not have mentioned the Seamus-the-dog incident in an article about the campaign when that topic first came up in this election cycle, but it has proved to be a topic of wide and enduring interest, and I suspect that it will be one of the factoids that people remember about Mitt Romney 20 years from now, so it does merit inclusion.) 2353:

separate refs. Arthur thinks it's undue and even a BLP violation, according to the most recent of his three reverts. Whether it's undue or not is a judgement call that should be worked out here, rather than by edit warring, but to assert that sourced statements of this nature about a major political figure constitute a BLP violation is so utterly ridiculous that I reverted Arthur's 3rd reversion just on that basis alone. On a side note, it appears at first glance that one might be following the other's edits, but I'm not sure who's doing the following and who's being followed. An admin with more patience than I have at present might like to look into that. –

2793:: I understand why you find the "see also" objectionable; that occurred to me, too. But something like half our readers don't have English as their native language, iirc. Can you think of any other way to communicate the intended context to people who may not already be familiar with the ostensibly historical quotation? Also, I'd appreciate it if you'd explain what you think is wrong with the sources, and disclose the basis for your view that this constitutes a BLP violation. It's the "see also", I suppose? Thanks, – 31: 1955:

however, Sandoval endorsed Perry and does not not appear have endorsed Romney even before the Nevada caucuses. Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Gov. Suzanna Martinez have recently removed themselves from consideration. I you have suggestions please give them. Biographical information is simply factual. The lead section you objected to was removed in case you didn't notice. Wholly removing sourced content is not appropriate.

1805:. If you are adamant about adding this section, you need to drop the POV opening, and develop an actual criteria for listing. A start would be for you to use sources that actually speculate an individual may be selected, and to not simply pick and choose candidates based on your own judgment. As part of NPOV, if you insist on this, you have an obligation to list all candidates that receive mention.-- 175:. They were much easier to read. I don't know what these drop-down boxes are supposed to be consistent with, but I don't find them user-friendly for this particular purpose. They work for things few people want to see, such as historical material. If you really believe few people are interested in endorsements, then make a separate article. This combines the worst of both worlds. 2156: 453: 2541:

the four presenting any substantive, policy-based arguments one way or the other here. As I've already indicated, I'd be pleased to hear F&H explain why, for example, we should allow his personal opinion that this is "trivial", to use his word, to trump the fact that so many media properties have seen fit to report on it. –

1747:- Romney has made statements about what type of VP he would choose and the media has been covering the topic of potential VP candidates. Analysts have made comments. The issue speaks for itself, not necessary to place arbitrary limits on editors who may find something to contribute. It can be discussed on a case by case basis. 2647:

provide some kind of context explaining why campaign observers have felt this was a notable incident. From the commentary I have seen, some political observers have suggsted that it was (yet another) example of Romney's difficulty making small talk and connecting with "average people" on the campaign trail.

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Actually, it's the responsibility of those (two) people attempting to insert contentious material into any article – especially a BLP – to get consensus for the insertion on the talk page. Until that consensus is reached, the material should stay out despite OhioStandard's attempt to edit-war it back

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been trivial, ie the news media wouldn't have made much of it, but for the baker's comment, "Next time, let him eat cake." That's obviously a highly political statement, obviously a reference to Romney's wealth, and one that characterises him as out of touch with the people, like Marie Antoinette was

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of the wp:brd cycle is to bring editors to the talk page to do exactly that, i.e. to provide a basis for article improvement via reasoned, policy-based discussion rather than edit warring. Now, we have two editors in favor of the disputed passage, and two who oppose, so far, with only one (ahem!) of

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At a minimum, their offices should be correctly listed. If they are not significant persons, such as those who would qualify as notable for Knowledge (XXG) purposes, then they should probably not be listed. All entries should be sourced, which is currently a problem. I will soon delete all unsourced

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relevant is how significant reliable sources think it is. Deleting content with 8 refs, when another 10 or more could easily be added as well, on the basis that it's "trivial" certainly calls for discussion. It's not something that can legitimately be based only on his opinion. FWIW, own opinion is

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Agree with those who've said the VP section is appropriate. Have no objection to adding names. You're certainly free to add names. Rubio was listed at one time and his name was removed by someone else who noted it when he had removed himself from consideration. Have been looking at adding Sandoval,

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I don't have a problem with including a "possible VP pics" section although it's not really necessary to include a massive table with pictures, surely a list would be much better. When he inevitably wins the nomination, speculation in reliable sources will increase and the GOP candidates page had a

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I just looked over to the Article and the section in question is not there, for now. Upon further reflection I think it is good that it is not, at this time. Rush Limbaugh reminds us that in debates, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney did not follow the apparent norm of attacking everyone else on stage which

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At a minimum, there needs to be at least some kind of acknowledgement that Romney did not intend (so far as has been reported) to insult anyone -- so add the word inadvertently, or unintentionally, or accidentally, or something. It would probably also be best, if Cookiegate were to be included, to

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There's no percentage in making snide comments or accusing others, quite falsely, of edit warring: I've tried repeatedly to engage opposing editors here, and F&H simply refused until now. His theorizing above and in his previous edit summary that BRD applies not only to two individuals, but is

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You could note that both John F. Kennedy and Mitt Romney made a significant speech addressing the subject of their religion early on in their campaign cycle. Based on their campaign results, people seem to have accepted their religion, at least so far with Romney. Ann Romney is very popular also.

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Romney (LDS) will take the approach of JFK (Catholic) to recognize the boundaries. Voters will also. It could remain a problem with bigots, but not with the majority of likely voters. (FYI, and in my humble opinion.) What do you think? . . . Have you seen anything reported in reportable sources?

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Thanks for your reasoned post on this, Dez. I think the content was added as a single line in a kind of pre-emptively defensive way, i.e. that it was so brief because the editor who initially added it expected he'd see some opposition to it here, and wanted to keep it to the "bare bones" for that

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as a source, but you only show certain candidates and fail to mention Rubio, Sandoval, Martinez, Haley, and Fortuno. This article is about the Romney campaign, and should not stray from this, particularly with such a prominent section. Do you have a source showing the Romney campaign is actively

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Does anyone else think this doesn't really belong in the article? 'The logo was criticized for bearing too much resemblance to the logo for the toothpaste Aquafresh, and the slogan was criticized for being the same as fellow Massachusetts politician John Kerry in his 2004 presidential campaign.'

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After having considered this for a while, now, I'm going to withdraw my objection to the revert. I still think it merits the single sentence that was added − although probably not its own section − but it's not anything I feel is worth this much contention, either. The whole long-term goings on

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I don't think there's any harm in listing reliably-sourced speculation. Ideally we'd have similar sections for other 2012 campaigns and for past unsuccessful primary campaigns. The context (i.e. that he's not the nominee yet and might never be) could be made clearer if the section were in prose

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have been edit warring over whether to include content about the flap over Romney's disparaging remarks about cookies from a "beloved local bakery" owned by a Republican in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. The press has picked it up under the name, and the content is extremely well cited, with eight

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Thomas Paine1776 is even cherrypicking from my response. It's OR/SYNTH/NPOV to even assume that things like religion and type of experience is a pro or con for the Romney team in deciding on their VP. The section as you've edit warred to restore is unacceptable. I've reported the user at

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as a possible running mate to Romney should be allowed in, and a reliable source indicating this be required. Trump's citations don't currently seem to do this, only indicating that he has met with Romney and that it is the opinion of one writer that he should be Romney's running mate.

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If there are sources discussing these individuals as possible VP's, the content is appropriate. It's the inclusion of a "Religion" category wording like "Christie lacks business experience; he has experience as a lobbyist, U.S. Attorney, and Governor" that pushes the boundaries of

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in consideration for an ambassadorship or the VP selection? Rush noticed this in January but didn't say anything then. Now he does and other sources notice this now also. I think it is very presumptive to over-think what is in the mind of Romney and his campaign strategists.

2388:) just performed a "drive by revert", ie a revert without joining the discussion here to try to achieve consensus. In that 15:20, 21 April 2012 revert, he gave the edit summary "no consensus for inclusion of this contested, trivial recentism". I would invite him to read the 112:

Do we really need a drop-down Navbox instead of a conventional list? The different parts of the Navbox show up on the Contents list, which makes the whole page confusing, the Navbox seems overly hi-tech when a list (for the purposes of this page, at least) would suffice.

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Rubio has removed himself from consideration, and Jindal has not even endorsed Romney or supported Romney. Candidates that are too far out of line with Romney on issues are probably much less likely to be selected anyway. The topic contains important information.

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reason. But if we can find sources that say Romney did the civil in the way you describe - and I'd agree that there probably are some, at least from his campaign if not from himself - then I'd be wholly in favor of including any such mitigating statements. –

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Those statements are sourced, but I don't think they're particularly relevant. It's common for blogs to make jokes about candidates and their campaigns, but that doesn't mean those jokes are worth noting (except in exceptional circumstances: see

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Actually, I may be changing my mind on this. Santorum, Gingrich, and the media thought the comment of the Romney advisor was 'red meat' whereas Romney explained things rather well. It should go under the category we have for 'Controvery'. .!.

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Going a step further: the section should probably not be included at all, and only be re-introduced when Romney is nominated or recognized as the presumptive nominee in reliable sources. At the very least, unsourced entries should be removed.

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Agreed that only names that are reliably sourced should be included. I would go a step further and say that "possible VP picks" section should not be in the article until Romney is recognized by reliable sources as the the Republican

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Be sure to include the PR-man's full quote (and the question before it) and then Romney's explanation. It comes at a time others may drop out. It is tempest in a teacup, and I am not sure it raises to the level of importance here.

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Why is the elephant in the room (his religion) also the elephant on this page? Why's there no section on it? It's a sensitive subject the guy is playing down for electoral reasons. Hence, it's an issue. (Also, how big is

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have contributed more than $ 2.7 million to Romney’s state and federal campaigns, leadership political action committees and Massachusetts gubernatorial inauguration fundraising committee, as well as the independent

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about the Romney presidential campaign is "recentism". In any case, he needs to try to make his case here, and base his edits on whatever consensus may emerge, instead of simply acting unilaterally to get his way.

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in. This is, some seem to forget, an encyclopedia, not a gossip column or a political blog. A flurry of activity over a candidate's faux pas du jour does not constitute an indication of encyclopedic importance.

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There is no need to place arbitrary limits on editors. The topic speaks for itself. Its sourced information. If you have suggestions for inclusion you should make them and stop removing the work of others.

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a little more closely, too, e.g. "Don't invoke BRD as your reason for reverting someone else's work or for edit warring: instead, provide a reason that is based on policies, guidelines, or common sense."

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backing Romney’s White House bid, according to the report. Bain Capital-related contributions easily outpace those of people and entities associated with Romney’s other top political patrons, including

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Should we really keep it? Specifically in the endorsement section? It's not his most noteworthy endorsement, but I suppose it was an early indication he'd be backed by high-ranking people of the party.

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Not everyone in the Tea Party votes the same; many, apparently, vote for Mitt Romney . . . (Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, and Rick Santorum also). The Tea Party movement resource is a voting block split

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You guys gotta be kidding. Trump duplicates Mitt's big strength - business. - and brings a world of baggage. He's also impossible to work with. Don't you guys have any political common sense?

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To begin with, stop pretending that you different editors. Even assuming the clearly false statement that all of those "news articles" are reliable, and, even if there are "many news articles"

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to reliable sources or conventional news media. The first time the anon (yes, all of them are clearly the same person) added it, there was no reliable source provided, making the accusation a

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recruiting the individuals listed? Perhaps a NPOV-version of this list could be added to a new article of its own as it was in 2008. At the moment, nothing more than a mention is appropriate.--

1607:. Let me add myself to the list of editors against including the section. We could have a similar section if Romney is nominated, but putting it in now seems speculative and unencyclopedic. — 629:

A tag has been added that the Iowa Caucuses paragraph is confusing. I agree. Once the final tally count is in next week, the paragraph can be rewritten and some of the negativism removed.

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In the state legislators section of the endorsements, many of the people listed are not, in fact, state legislators. What should we do about the non-state legislators listed there? --

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Despite the presence of the above, and despite my previous edit-summary request that editors involved in this dispute work it out here rather than edit war over the passage, user

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Well, nobody wanted to risk having Mitt flip-flop on his religious beliefs, but in his 666th unforced error of the campaign (so far), he's decided to bring up the issue himself.

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The vice-presidential speculation in the "Presumptive Presidential Nominee" section should at least resemble the "Republican Party Vice Presidential Candidates, 2012" article.

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Associates of private equity firm Bain Capital, once run by Mitt Romney, have fueled the GOP front-runner’s political fortunes more than any other, asserts a new report by the

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Edward Conard, who gave a million dollars to Restore Our Future, is a former top executive at Bain Capital, the private equity firm Mr. Romney helped start. Another donor is

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I've simplified the endorsements and made them more consistent with other articles. However, many of the entries are unsourced. Unsourced items may be deleted at any time.

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List is not POV. The topic has a cited source taht discusses inclusion. If you have suggestions for inclusion you should make them. Please do not remove the work of others.

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Agree the VP section is appropriate. Religion is just demographic/biographical information. Its a fact that Christie lacks business experience, but the wording can change.

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Yes, it's almost assuming that Romney will be the Republican nominee, and certainly seems POVish. Upon second thought, you're probably right, and I've changed the RfC.

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Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich roundly criticized Romney’s work at Bain, before largely dropping the issue after facing criticism himself for it.

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Besides hoping for policy-based discussion here, I'd also ask that all editors refrain from further suggestions that deletion is justified in this instance by

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I still believe that nobody should be listed in this section unless their discussion as a possible running mate to Romney has been specifically mentioned in a

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My sense is that the so-called Cookiegate incident is likely to fail the 10-year test and consequently does not merit inclusion in the article, per

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Having said that, if Cookiegate is to be included in this article, the way it is presented MUST be changed. The line currently being discussed is:

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The usual procedure is to flag unsourced entries with if they seem likely to be true. Who are you, making all these unilateral decisions by fiat?

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also appropriately extendible to third persons is interesting, but a bit too academic for me so early in the morning. He might like to read

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Delete all VP speculation as premature until no reasonable person would dispute contention that this candidate is the presumptive nominee.--

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Reject all such speculation as the political equivalent of fancruft, and equally non-encyclopedic in nature. It has no place here, under

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Perhaps if OhioStandard would stop typing long enough to give someone else a chance, the discussion could contain alternate viewpoints.

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weight in regard the campaign; even if this one were adequately sourced, some of the other controversies would need to be removed. —

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Agree w/ Bdell555 & Orangemike. Remove the section. Revisit if & when Romney is established as the presumptive nominee.--

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Agree with minimizing entries to 'Possible VP selection'. Romney will win at the Republican Convention in August in Florida and

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http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-south/bethel-bakery-runs-cookiegate-special-after-romney-diss-631969/

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between Arthur and our IP hopping friend does leave me with some questions, though, and since I see the two are now at ANI (

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over there in the US? The BBC just did this article on it... but as a Brit it's hard for me to tell the importance of it).

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Also completed is that now Santorum has won Iowa by 34 votes. The article could mention that delegates are 'proportioned'.

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That is for media to cover. This reason here is to list hundreds nay thousands of endorsements Romney has. No reason other.

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FYI, "... Romney he hadn't made a list regarding potential Vice Presidential picks, arguing it would be 'presumptuous'."

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And, to reply to the the real editor who seems to be interested in improving Knowledge (XXG), most of the references are

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supposed to have been. Coming from a fellow Republican, that's noteworthy, imo, and the national media evidently agrees.

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Raised: $ 12,231,700 Spent: $ 7,795,104. Treasurer: Charles R. Spies, the general counsel for Romney’s 2008 campaign

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Not only is the VP list back, we now have pictures of four that will never be VP. On TV Romney said it's too early.

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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/10/26/mitt-romney-hes-110-for-ohio-ballot-measure-to-curb-public-employee-unions/

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Further, F&H's evident opinion as to whether something is "trivial" or not is completely irrelevant. What's

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Out of place. The picture really sticks out like a sore thumb. What point is the contributor trying to make?

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essay, and remind him that the development of consensus happens on talk pages. There's no consensus yet for

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this particular gaffe, it doesn't mean it deserves as much as a paragraph in this article. Please see

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The "See also" is absurd, even if the material were adequately sourced and not in violation of

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I just looked again over to the article and the section is back (with four VP possibilities).

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Seeing as though my previous post didn't get any attention in a week, I'm making an RfC.

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I believe this should be added to the article, but first a discussion is in order. –

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2012 Iowa Republican Caucus Certified vote totals (1766 of 1774 precincts certified)

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Without knowing placement, a column in the WSJ does not indicate notability. —

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Ed, I really enjoyed reading your user page. I'll work on a draft of a summary.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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If there's no criteria then the list is POV and I will continue to remove it.--

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Insert youtube link to video of Kermit the frog going Yayyy! here I suppose.

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Removal is appropriate when material is irrelevant to an article's subject.--

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National Polls Suggest Romney Is Overwhelming Favorite for G.O.P. Nomination

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by Jim Rutenberg, Ashley Parker and Jeff Zeleny published January 20, 2012

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I think this section should be reworked so that only people who have been

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Someone removed the "Confusing" tag and the final certified voting is in.

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Huntsman: Republicans Are 'Splintered' Over Foreign Policy, Spending Cuts

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I agree with SE7 and Brian. In 2008 there were separate articles such as

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Where's the section on his campaign platform? Can we put a summary of

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We may not know till May (or until convention in August in Tampa FL).

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violation on its face. The controversies here are probably already

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Finally, F&H's "recentism" claim seems hard to sustain, in that

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over his tenure at Bain Capital, and specifically job losses."

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