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Quakers, after being banned from Boston. Like the Jews whom you well cite, the Quakers and Jews were best well received in RI of all British colonies, because of the absolute separation of Church and State and while Maryland was officially tolerant, their personal ideology just didn't work well with Quakers and Jews due to extreme differences in Catholicism. This is widely accepted and conventional American history. Do your research. By including CT in this article and continuing to put not only spelling errors and misconceptions of other "minor details", like New York City being the burned-over district, shows just how little you know about this, all the while professing I am having an agenda or something. I'll tell you what my agenda is: it is to present an accurate, comprehensive and culturally sensitive coverage of the middle colonists; this is something that you have proven to not a clue how to do. You have made this a battle ground and destroyed hard work to help the subject, apparently because I was right to be wary of your intentions here. I retract my "apology" for being tense with you in our initial exchanges. Now that I know of your belligerence to good faith edits, I hereby withdraw from this power and control issue for you. You want to have it your way or the highway. Fine, struggle to be accurate and forthcoming and treated seriously.
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Reformed Calvinists and Evangelical Lutherans, which is not a typical understanding of the Middle Colonies, as the Middle Colonies were not really establishmentarian in any sense. You want to say Maryland was one of the Southern Colonies, but they were not Anglicans. You want to say that Rhode Island was one of the Northern Colonies, but they were not Puritans. It may seem simple to divide them all up with the Dutch and Swedish colonies being a good marker, but this clear division ceased to exist in 1664, when the Continental Europeans no longer had an establishment of their own. The English of course, had "seed colonies", like Virginia and Massachusetts, which spread out and broke off to found other colonies; those are the very sources of the English people whom founded the Middle Colonies, not Dutch, Swedish or German, but English. That is why both Maryland and Rhode Island are predecessors to English settlement further in the Mid-Atlantic, proprietary (like MD) Quakers (like RI) for instance, which is why Pennsylvania is a Commonwealth of its own kind of people, a criss-crossing of South and North. Have you seen these maps?
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English veneer over other people, rather than suffer humiliation and hostility from other English. Of course, the Crown appointed Anglicans and Parliament also encouraged Puritanical settlement in the region, but the heart of the Philadelphian people was a blend of Calvert and Williams. I assume Scapler hasn't read David Hackett Fischer, nor done any cultural studies of 17th century England and colonial offshoots. Okay Scapler, provide an opinion on the issue which is not carbon copied myopia. You ought to be able to look at the details and see that they are much more complex than the cookie-cutter stuff we were taught in elementary school, but you are apparently stuck in that primitive mindset of what the lower grade level teaches about basic Americana. There's a lot of grey in a black and white world, so please don't be afraid to step aside from your article hogging. I provided the main source for my editing confidence on this issue, a notable Brandeis professor in American history.
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