Talk:Milla Jovovich/Archive 2

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Knowledge (XXG) guidelines on biographies, it is specifically stated that "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable. Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability."

1810:. She did some benefit for ukrainian children and gave an interview about it. Of course in that moment she will underline that she is Ukrainian born, a "ukrainian girl" for show what she has in common and why she does so. Publicity linked with that special moment. That´s why you cannot find a general statement from her, not event-linked, that she would be ukrainian. You can compare the "I am ukrainian girl" statement with Kennedys "Ich bin ein Berliner" (I am a Berlinian), it was based on a very special event and done for saying something friendly and kindful to the host nation. That´s all. 5724: 5646: 3543: 1955:"favourite supermodel".In 2004, Jovovich topped Forbes magazine's "Richest Supermodels of the World" list, earning a reported $ 10.5 million.In 2006, Jovovich was picked up by Spanish clothing line Mango as their new spokesmodel and is currently featured in their ad campaigns;she can also be seen in ads for Etro. She has noted that "Modeling was never a priority"and it instead enables her "to be selective about the creative decisions make".She is now recently been the face of L'Oréal for many ad campaigns. 3062:“У меня русская мама, она была знаменитой актрисой в СССР (Галина Логинова. — Газета). И первые книги, которые я прочитала, были на русском языке. Я воспитывалась в атмосфере русской классической театральной школы. Искусство, построенное на системе Станиславского, — это наиболее реалистичное искусство. И современное кино стоит на этих же принципах. Ведь русскому человеку важно докопаться до правды. Это и есть основа русской культуры. Я об этом никогда не забываю, тем более что у меня русские корни.” 4607:. There is simply no question about it. That's not just throwaway line, but a detailed description of her father. It's not someone else's summary: "Jovovich was born in 1975, in Kiev, Ukraine, the only child of a Russian performer, Galina Loginova ("she was an amazing actress"), and a Montenegrin father, Bogich Jovovich. ("They're men's men in Montenegro, very macho, especially up north where my Dad and all his brothers and cousins are from.")" (parenthetical quotes are from Jovovich herself) 3451:.... We report what the sources say! Not what we think they say... There have been millions of people who have claimed that they are something which they where not.... and later claimed something else. Why something claims something is not the issue here on Knowledge (XXG); it is about finding sources who say why they say something, not about personal opinions and personal interpretations why somebody says something. That is what I tried to teach you (in a bit roundabout way I agree...). — 3065:“I have Russian mother, she was a famous actress in the USSR (Galina Loginova). And the first books, which I read, were in Russian. I was raised in the atmosphere of the Russian classical theatre school. The art, built on the system of Stanislavsky – that’s the most realistic art. And the modern cinema stands on the same principle. A Russian person wants to find the truth. This is the base of the Russian culture. I never forget it, especially since I have Russian roots.” 1761:

article there are lots of refereces to Jovovich's role in action movies; and as I mentioned the article also comments the costume. In my opinion, the infobox image does not explain how she looks like in action-horror movies, for which she is known. So I don't see a point in removing content that is a part of the reason why the article is listed as a good article. That is basically only decreasing the quality of the article. But lets a third party decide :) --

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paragraphs as that information is supposed to also be in the main body of the article which is where the citations are linked to. There's nothing wrong with having that same footnote about her nationality in three spots but it's just not necessary (and aesthetically it kind of clutters things up a bit). So unless anyone objects, and it's really not that big of a deal either way, I'm going to get rid of the footnotes in the infobox and lead paragraph.

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coming into this world IN THE UKRAIN. Which was a, theoretically, self-soveriegn entity under the central USSR government, a member of a republic. Think of it as saying she was born in Kansas, yes, it's part of the USA, but it's also KANSAS. Also a member of a different republic. It all works. Only dedicated nit pickers need pick these nits. Take a vellum, relax. Turn off the computer, go for a walk, gain some perspective. And have a great day.

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another album. Her reply was that due to the negative criticism she received for The Divine Comedy, she had no plans on putting out another commercial album, preferring instead to release music via her website. I obviously cannot cite myself so this cannot be added to her Wiki page, but I can mention it here where her fans might find it.

1211:"Jovovich's father was incarcerated for most of her childhood for partaking in an illegal operation with medical insurance; he was given a twenty year sentence in 1994". Since she must have been at least 18 when he was sentenced, how can the five years from 1994 to 1999 count as "most of her childhood"? 3676:

It is true that there is no "clan social structure" in Serbia. No one said that there is one, no one claimed that her father is from Serbia. We only claim that her fathers ethnicity is Serbian, because as you might know there are a lot of Serbs in Montenegro and Vasojevici are actually a Serbian clan

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I had the good fortune to meet Mrs. Jovovich at the Resident Evil: Apocalypse wrap party (a get-together they have after filming is done) back in late 2003 thanks to a friend who worked on the film. I did manage to get in a question to her about her musical career, asking if she planned on releasing

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People, there are decaf brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing. She is an Actress who lives and acts in America, making her an American Actress. She was born in the Ukraine. At the time, it may have been part of the UUSR, however; and be that as it may be, it still leaves her

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How is being a "Ukrainian film actor" determined? I'm not familiar with actors by nationality categories or what criteria are used but given the discussion above concerning her place of birth and current citizenship I would like to see some kind of rationale for this. Knowledge (XXG) is really picky

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For the record, the webmaster of her site just emailed me back and said she has U.S. citizenship but he is unsure of if she maintains dual-citizenship. I realize we can't use this here, of course, and am attempting to convince him to add it to her FAQ or bio. So now we know, even if we can't use it

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I don't think anyone is worried about the IP, we're just trying to get it right for the article's sake. And I tend to agree that regardless of her official citizenship she at least has legal/permanent residency in the US and that's where her career started and where she was when she became notable.

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If we find sources that talk about her current religious beliefs, then we can add material. I am hesitant to use Twitter as a source. I have seen many BLP articles that have sentences like, "X was raised Catholic...", or "X grew up in a Jewish household..." We might say something like that for Milla?

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A response would have been nice a month and a half ago, but oh well.... Anyway, it's not typical to use a non-free image to show an actor in a role unless there are very special reasons, and you still haven't explained why it's so important that the reader see her character or her costume. I am going

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In the view interviews I saw of her on youtube she has called herself "born in Russia" and in another one "born in the Ukraine". I got the idea she either doesn't care what her ethnicity is or doesn't know or she deserves better interviews :). I think that there where always some Ukrainians living in

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I think this should be edited. Just for consistency. Many Americans who have moved overseas are referred to as American-etc. She was not born nor raised there, granted she is American by citizenship, it would be like referring to say Tim Matheson solely as a “British” actor, since he moved there and

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Excuse me, but do you mind re-reading what you wrote, and telling me if it makes sense? She is obviously not of Ukrainian ethnicity, that is known, she is half Russian and half Serbian, so why would she claim she is of Ukrainian ethnicity if she is not? It's obvious the only thing she could mean was

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Even though she was born in the Ukraine what Ukraine is now is different than what it was then. Saying that she is "Ukrainian born" ignores this rather significant distinction and more specifically implies that she was born in the current country of Ukraine which did not exist then (in the same way

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It's rather silly questioning this, especially when it's only one IP edit warring, screaming and trying to bully people into his/her preferred version. Considering the fact that she has lived in America for 30 years, it also leads me to question whether it matters if she is a citizen or not, or just

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I guess we need a topic here since this slow burn edit war is neverending. My understanding is that she was Ukrainian born and now a naturalized American citizen. We cover the birth nationality in the body of the article but it seems appropriate to me to call her an American actress as that is her

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because it implicates she is from Ukrainian descendent, she is not! Her official own website describe the mother as "russian actress" (not Ukrainian) and the father as "serbian doctor" (not Montenegrinian although born in Montenegro). In Ukraine are living a few Russians and in Montenegro are living

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Here are Ms. Jovovich's own words: "Jovovich was born in 1975, in Kiev, Ukraine, the only child of a Russian performer, Galina Loginova ("she was an amazing actress"), and a Montenegrin father, Bogich Jovovich. ("They're men's men in Montenegro, very macho, especially up north where my Dad and all

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do with Ukrainians as an ethnic group to an article talking about ethnic Ukrainians. I don't see how you can teach me something you don't know yourself :-) I guess you have some learning to do :-P Being 24/7 on Knowledge (XXG) doesnt mean you have more authority, it means many things, but not that.

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It's funny you said that, because you yourself were not reporting what the source said, which is obvious, Ukrainian=born in Ukraine (because ethnically she is not Ukrainian so she could not mean ethnically Ukrainian), but you tried to twist it around and somehow redirect a person who has nothing do

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The article Ukrainians talks about Ukrainians as an ethnic group, and she is clearly not ethnically Ukrainian. For example when I go abroad I say I'm English or British, but ethnically I am Belarusian and Polish. When you open a page of every "English football player" English always lead to England

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I thought twitter could be used (sparingly) when it was a verified account? Even if it could be used (or we had a better source with the exact same info), I'm still not sure how we'd enter the information. It would seem a little weird to me to specify the religion she was raised in and then not be

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About 5 or 6 years ago she took part in a Russian talk show "Женский взгляд Оксаны Пушкиной"(Woman's look by Oxana Pushkina) along with her mother. Her mother spoke only Russian. When Milla tried to reply in Russian she realized that her knowledge of it was really bad and continued in English. Then

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Don't know what...? As far as we know she didn't have people of Ukrainian ethnicity in her family. But she is not ethnically Ukrainian, that's why linking her to a link about Ukrainians doesnt make sense. The link should go to Ukraine simply because that's where her reerence to Ukraine comes from.

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with some screen shots. There are others including her official site and imdb. Sorry but I don't have time to edit this nor time to discuss how the consensus would be for which one to use. Just wanted to point it out that the current one is garbled and 404. This is a great article, well done.

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I noticed that reference 4 in the main article (to a youtube video of her Married With Children episode) was misformatted. I was going to fix it using a better citation template, but the link is also dead ("unavailable video"). No surprise there. There are many better references to this episode

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Neverthless, dispite no references given in the article for that, someone wrote that her mother was of mixed Russian and Ukrainian ethnicity. I don't say it's a lie but no links were brought for the Ukrainian ethnicity on her mothers side. If her mother also had Ukrainian ethnicity, please bring a

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I really enjoyed reading this; Jovovich is a personal favorite of mine, so it's awesome to see her article in such great shape. It passes all of the Good Article Criteria in that it is well written for the most part, it is factually accurate and verifiable, it is comprehensive, neutral and stable

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I disagree. She was in fact raised in the United States, and furthermore Ukraine does not even allow for dual citizenship, making her nationality solely American. Although she was not born American, birthplace is not the criteria for inclusion in the lead. In fact, in WP:ethnicity which specifies

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All that's left now is some minor formatting issues. Jaan added her nationality to the infobox and the lead paragraph with the citation listed above. I added a small bit of text to the "Early life" section using the same citation. Generally speaking we don't use footnotes in infoboxes and lead

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She was born in the Ukraine when it was still part of the USSR. Further, she left Ukraine before the dissolution of the USSR so it's not clear what her citizenship status would be with regard to the independent country of Ukraine. Again, without a reliable source indicating that she is a citizen

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I'll suggest the heretical notion that it doesn't matter at all. Jovovich is an American citizen with a career that is completely based in the US. She has lived in the Ukraine, London, and the United States. The ethnicity of her mother and father is of less importance than her preferred brand of

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In historiography, the Orthodox people of Montenegro were called Serbs. In the constitutions of the Principality of Montenegro and Kingdom of Montenegro, the Montenegrin people's ethnonym was Serbs. With the formation of Socialist Yugoslavia, the censuses showed a majority of people declaring as

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Given its reliance on fan magazines, the article too much reflects their tone. Every detail that has been published (e.g., quotes on watching video games as a child) does not need to be reproduced here. Try to stick to main points. Shortened Lead to have it be more of a summary; more needs to be

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Webmaster dude never got back to me on adding the the info to her website. I'm assuming dude gets a lot of emails since Milla is fairly popular so no big deal. I've been checking her bio page and the faq page (can't find a link to it on her site but helpful IP linked to it below) to see if the

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even though there is no proof of there ancestry.... (not that I'm acusing you of that, at least your descend enough to ask!). No Ukrainians living in big cities before 1991? The fact is it is impossible to proof there no Russian/Ukrainian/Polish ancestry's in anybody born in Ukraine that's way I

1320:... with doesn't tell us much either since it is Russian spoken but the you can still consider yourself Ukrainian if you were born there... Personally I'm completely fed up with the fact that Russian editors try to make everybody who was born in pre-independent Ukraine and who became famous look 1247:

Help! (This is supposed to be part of the previous section. I'm sure if you use Knowledge (XXG) a lot, this seems like second nature, but rest assured that to the rest of the universe, we sit in wonder and can only begin to imagine what's going on. Can someone sort this, please? I'll sign if it

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But that's like saying someone can't be Welsh if they're also British. Anyway, I don't want to get involved in the debate because I'm trying to help only as an admin. Whatever you decide is fine with me, so long as it leads to a clear consensus – or, failing that, a well-sourced decision that's

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Thanks for the summary SQG. In looking at her official web site FAQ, I noticed that she identifies ethnically as Montenegrian but no note of her citizenship is made. I put in a question to see if she'd update that on her page. SO maybe we'll get something eventually there to deal with this.

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Allright. That seems to be a good idea. The point is that this article passed its GAN with a picture of Jovovich from Resident Evil. The sixth GA criterium says "Illustrated", which is the only reason why an image was added. It was not added to make the article look nicer or whatsoever. In the

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I'm not going to delete you're edit but I'm going to ask a question. Don't you think that in the link you gave she talks about nationality and not ethnicity? Anyway this is garbage that no Ukrainians lived in big city. In east and south Ukraine maybe because it was Russian once, but in west and

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But neither Montenegro nor Serbia were independent states in 1981 and so "Yugoslavia" was the term for the country that Ms. Jovovich's father was a citizen of. (Ms. Jovovich was never a citizen of any of these countries, she was a citizen of the Soviet Union when she emigrated to the US.) So

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a US citizen, but let's put our efforts into finding a reasonable source. I'm not paying attention to the rants from the anon-IP at all; we have no reason to assume he/she really is Jovovich's agent, and his/her edit summaries are coming uncomfortably close to violating the spirit, if not the

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says we should cite the country of which the person is or was a citizen/national (and that's not the same as being a non-citizen permanent resident), so I'm not comfortable with calling her an "American" unless we can find a reliable source showing that she has in fact become a naturalized US

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She was on a magazine cover the year BEFORE her mother "resorted to cleaning houses to earn money"? She dropped out of school in 7th grade at age 12 to focus on modeling but went back and graduated from high school at age 16? Something hinky here. Many of the sources are articles based on

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still needs a reliable source in order to establish her nationality. Everyone please read my summary above for where things still stand. If there's an interpretation of policy or guidelines that anyone feels is in error then definitely bring it up and we'll re-open the discussion.

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I really think that the Russian/Ukrainian section goes way too much into detail for comfortable reading. It should be shortened so that gets straight to the point because so much gets lost in translation with how long the section is. 1️⃣0️⃣0️⃣cellsman 00:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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No reliable source has been found to indicate that she is a citizen of the US. This in spite the fact that she moved there when she was 11 and presumably maintains a residence there. Without a really good reliable source that has evidence of her citizenship we cannot make that

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is now a British citizen. The fact that her ethinticity and upbringing were not American, should stand for something. I’m just saying American should not her her sole claimed ethinticity/nationality, even if just for consistency with other articles on Knowledge (XXG).

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and not English people. I think because of the fact in the Soviet Union when people said nationality they ment ethnicity it caused some problems for people from the CIS to see the difference, which I understand, but it's important to see the difference in definition.

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Interesting, I don't see anything on her official site that says she is an American citizen. A quick Internet search did not reveal anything reliable either. You would think that after living in the US all these years it would have happened, but maybe not?

999:: this is really jumbled and difficult to read with all of the brackets. Perhaps paraphrase the first quotation ("She noted during an interview that year that her large action films... etc etc) and then include the last quote about it being "a good balance". 3707:

Her family was originally a part of a clan (or tribe) of people of Serbian ethnicity that inhabited a part of Montenegro. The term Montenegrin is purely geographical in this case, when it comes to ethnicity there is no doubt that Vasojevici are of Serbian

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that she identifies as an Ukrainian this should not be mentioned in the lead paragraph. Also, neither of her parents were from the region of the Ukraine which further muddles the point of whether she would be considered a citizen of that country

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In that sense, she's American. While I couldn't find any guidelines that dealt with this kind of case specifically, my interpretation is that for the lede since she became notable in the US and still lives there that would make her American (

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contradicts that statement. Allmusic.com's listings for "performers" for that album/song only says RXRA, no mention of Jovovich. So, removed the line from the article since it had no citation. (Hope that was the right thing to do =) -- Rinman

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Also, consistency with other Knowledge (XXG) articles is not the criteria for making an edit on a page. It is first and foremost adherence to Knowledge (XXG) guidelines and whether or not that change is appropriate for that particular page.

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suntan lotion. If we simply eliminate all references to it from the article, the article is just as good as it was before, and people that have nothing better to do than to argue about it can do so using another website's resources.—

3099:: "Appropriate links provide instant pathways to locations within and outside the project that are likely to increase readers' understanding of the topic at hand". The topic at hand in the sentence "I am a strong Ukrainian girl" is 2347:

I really wouldn't consider that a good source. In the absence of any source documenting her US naturalization, I would recommend removing (or at least commenting out) the category references dealing with "American" this or that.

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She noted during an interview that year that her large action films take care of the commercial part of her career, while she acts in "independent little films that never come out" to appease her artistic side, and "It's a good

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I'm not making things up, it's a fact. Ukrainians doesnt talk about people in Ukraine but about the ethnic group. I gave you a clear example with the English football players, you can find a similar one for many other cases.

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I noticed the sections about her not being able to speak much Russian or Serbian but I also read that she was fluent in French and according to a song, "In the Glade" that it was Ukrainian. Does anyone know the truth there?

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I can't write any of the symbols in the actual article as I do not know how, but the last character given for the pronunciation of Milla's second name has no equivalent in the IPA chart produced when one clicks on her name.

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Re: Personal life / Background: I refuse to believe that any spoken interview, or written interview translated from Russian, with Milla Jovovich used for source material here actually contains that many punctuation errors.

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Anyway the wording “Ukrainian-born” is a bit awkward here, since she was born in the country called Soviet Union from a Serbian father and a Russian mother. And if not American, what citizenship do you expect her to have?

3155:: "Appropriate links provide instant pathways to locations within and outside the project that are likely to increase readers' understanding of the topic at hand". You are ignoring my arguments here above completly. — 3056:

Can someone please help me put the quote and it’s translation as part of the reference to the fact that Mila’s mum was Russian? I just figured for those who don’t speak Russian it would be good to see a translation.

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that references Milla Jovovich as a Featured Video (Episode 159), and I will proceed as everything stands at this moment. If someone with the know-how can fix the url spelling, it would be much appreciated; thank

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To summarize the discussion for when this comes up again, the current consensus/what's in the article now is to not mention her nationality or where she was born in the lead paragraph. The reasons are as follows:

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Fourth, the editor's extended discussion of his version of history is immaterial since Ms. Jovovich, in the clearest statement available--a direct quote during an interview--says that her father was Montenegrin.

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First, Ms. Jovovich's official website says, in different places, that her father was "Serbian", "Montenegrin", and "Yugoslavian". Since her website is not written by Ms. Jovovich herself, however, that's not

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The other cited site, which is in Serbian and they don't understand it, is stating the same fact about her father! However these facts do not prevent TaivoLinguist, Nymf and other users to vandalise the page!

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and mother Galina Loginova Jovovich (Russian actress). In 1981, Milla and her family left the Soviet Union and moved to London, England and then to Sacramento, California, ultimately settling in Los Angeles.″

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First of all, the correct translation in this case is clan, not tribe. Her father is montenegrin, as Vasojevići is a montenegrin clan. Serbs do not have a clan social structure, it is not-existent in Serbia.

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In the interview to Russian Nights she clearly said that her mother was of Russian ethnicity, and that she never forgets of her Russian roots. I wasn't the one who brought that reference it was here long ago,

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Well, this is going too far. Sources are saying that Milla is Serbian, while some users are changing to Montenegrin. Why??? If you cant choose which ethnicity of her father is, than change it to Yugoslavian.

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The point of this option wasn't to actually say that her father was "Yugoslavian" necessarily, but just to include it as one of the options in the data. I appreciate your effort in setting this survey up.

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However, some users like TaivoLinguist constantly cite her official website wrongly and falsely claim that her father is Montenegrin, although there isn't word Montenegrin even mentioned on the cited site!

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She noted during an interview that year, her large action films "have commercial part taken care of, and for artistic side, make independent little films that never come out" and "It's a good balance".

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central Ukraine? Most of the people in Kiev were Ukrainians, in Lviv, Ivano-Frankovsk, a huge majority was Ukrainians. Damn it I'm half Ukrainian and all my Ukrainian rots are in big cities like Vinitza.

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her alleged "anti-communist" sentiment. Also, if she's to be included in a category related to anti-communism, it should be explained in the article body so the readers know why she is in the category.

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It ment that she is from Ukraine, but that doesnt make her Ukrainian by ethnicity, ethnically she's half Serbian and half Russian. She is Ukrainian by place of birth, so it should redirect to Ukraine.

204:"reigning queen of kick-butt" is a fantastic quote, but it's not in the body of the article; the lead is supposed to be an overview. Could this be placed somewhere in the body, as well as in the lead? 3907:

Perhaps people could add sources for each sentence, focusing on what Jovovich and father say about themselves, which should be given priority unless there's something incongruous about what they say.

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recently added a {{non-free}} to the Career section of the article, and I have removed it. There are only three images used in the section and I would hardly three images as an "excessive" amount:

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Her article further says that her paternal family's estate was in Zlopek near Peć, Serbia, and that her paternal great-grandfather, Bogić Camić Jovović, was a flag-bearer of the Vasojevići clan.

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Oh, this is silly - I've now made a new section, deleted a third, produced a massive line that spans the universe, and all I'm trying to do is comment. Come on - couldn't this be easier to use?

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well illustrated with properly tagged images. I have various nitpicky suggestions and comments, however, in order to improve the prose and readability to better fulfill the first criteria:

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as most of its members declare as Serbs. You shouldn't mix ethnicity and citizenship. Her fathers family has origins in Montenegro but he was actually born and raised in Serbia, in Kosovo.

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Mila Jovovich is the daughter of a serbian montenegrin Bogić Jovovic and her mother Galina Loginova Jovović from ukraine. the german article already includes this information. The Article

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The article says she speaks English, French and Russian. That would make her understand Ukrainian to some degree and a little bit of Serbian, but not much, but that's just my speculation.

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as specific about the one she identifies with now. But there's no way of knowing from that what her current religion is. My guess is a variety of Christianity but that's just a guess.

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From Milla's Twitter feed (@MillaJovovich): "Ppl hve been asking what religion I am. Well, I'm russian orth. by birth, but I'll go 2 any church where I feel love and spirit! God bless!"

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I see Serbian IPs are still turning up to edit war the categories now that the semi-protection expired. Should we blank the categories as well? Semi-protect the article again? Pinging

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You don't know that she didn't meant Ukrainian ethnicity (because she is not Ukrainian by ethnicity). You decided (for her) that she did not meant that without consulting her on it. —

1308: 3984:, official website: "Milla Jovovich ... was born ... in Kyiv (Kiev), Ukraine to father Bogdanovitch Jovovich (Serbian doctor) and mother Galina Loginova Jovovich (Russian actress)." 2434:

That's a good point. She left before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and I have no idea how her citizenship would have been handled with her not being there when it did happen.

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It illustrates how she looks like in one of her primary roles - in an action movie. It also depicts a costume designed by Jovovich's own clothing line. I think it's very essenial.--

931:: Rewrite as: "Jovovich found it easy to identify with this role because she felt Fangora, as opposed to previous characters, possessed similar qualities to the actress's own life." 2177:

has even made it to post-production. Anyone know what's going on with this film? Latest news is it'll be distributed by Seven Arts and GFM, but details are still vague as to when.—

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Yay, that was done long before I thought. So, I'll expand the "In the media" section a bit either now, or after the review is passed - when I have the time. Thanks for reviewing! -

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She could, in theory, be stateless (not having any citizenship in any currently existing country) — I assume this is probably not the case, but we really need to find a source.

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a few Serbians, to be born there does not make them to Ukrainians or Montenegrinians although Ukrainian and Montenegrin nationalists would welcome to claim such VIP as their own.

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citizenship gets added. So far, no joy. But it's something to keep an eye on. I will eventually space out on something else so don't count on me to keep looking it up. :D

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Yep, Knowledge (XXG) is very strict about categories and the "anti-communist" claim needs to be well supported in the article with reliable sources before being applied here.

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Thank you, Taivo. Montenegro did exist in 1981. It wasn't a state at that point, but it was a nation (it had its own cultural/ethnic identity), if I've understood correctly.

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used here? The subject is a living person and the image isn't illustrating anything super-special that can't be described in text, so I don't see how this image meets the

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In the role, Jovovich found an ability to identify with the character because Fangora possessed the most similar qualities to the actresses real life than previous roles

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Huh; never mind, it seems to have fixed itself. See what I mean about my not knowing. If someone fixed it in the time it took me to write this talk section, thank you.

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We can add material that is relevant and has reliable sources. Wiki does not consider Twitter reliable. Let's see if we can find a better course for this material. --

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You considering Mr. Ivanov from Kiev Ukrainian because he was born in Ukraine won't turn him into an ethnic Ukrainian ;-) Those are biological facts, not political.

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That was quick! Congrats on your newest Good Article and I hope to see this at FAC one day. :) Let me know if it goes that route; I'd be happy to review it again.

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In 2022, Mila Jovovich collaborated with WarGaming to be a special guest during the Christmas event in World of Tanks and is an in-game commander with voiceover.

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which appears to be a copy of the Feb 1995 issue of Loaded. In it the writer claims that she's an American citizen. Not sure it's such a reliable source though.

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as part of the side bar in this and other celeb writeups, there should be included their height etc /s/ deenardo shoelayce III 00:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)~~

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in an article published in 2002, she was said to be Miuccia Prada's muse and in an article published in 2003, Harpers & Queen magazine claimed Jovovich was

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a German/British production (according to the article, anyway), so I could see people arguing that Japan's release date is less notable than others.

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also descriibes this fact and already lists Mila as one of the Notable descendants of the Vasojevići tribe. I would like to add this information.

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every town in Imperial Russia west of the Ural Mountains :) Anyhow I consider everybody who lives/or lived a long time in Ukraine a Ukrainian.

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Is there a reason why 'Best Young Actress Starring in a Motion Picture' and 'Worst New Star' are using apostrophes instead of quotation marks?

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it does now). The lead paragraph is no place to discuss the political history of Ukraine so it's best not to mention that she was born there.

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I have removed the statement as there is no way for me to be able to check it. The reference is from a book and the book itself is in Serbian.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20081012182045/http://www.cinematical.com/2007/08/28/milla-jovovich-and-ali-larter-ask-resident-evil-extinction-s/

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an official site. It is in fact a ripoff of the official site. Please do not re-add the link without discussing and gaining consensus here.

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I think her father is declared as Serb, but he got Montenegrin origin. Like Ivo Andric, he is of Croat origin, but declared as a Serb. --

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This has nothing to do with "ethnic groups"; but with linguistics... The topic at hand in the sentence "I am a strong Ukrainian girl" is

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citizenship. But we don't really mention that she was naturalized in the article. Perhaps finding a source and noting that will help?

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Similarly, shouldn't her filmography include The Night Train to Kathmandu (1988)? It was certainly her first starring role in anything.

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I see where you're coming from, and I wouldn't protest its inclusion for now. Although it's based on a Japanese franchise, the film

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Good job in contacting the webmaster. The answer had to be out there somewhere, it just took some extra digging by you to find it.

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I'm not sure how we could enter this. Note in the early life section that she was raised Rus Orth but is now non-denominational?

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was a combination of Jovovich's parent's names - the first two letters of mother Galina and the first two letters of father Bogie's

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Even her last name Jovović is listet in list of brotherhoods of Vasojevići clan last names. Are you going to change that as well?

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https://web.archive.org/20091107040219/http://www.fangoria.com:80/home/news/9-film-news/4469-milla-jovovich-faces-new-terrors.html

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Fifth, finally, the very website, that BobNesh both 1) cites as authoritative and 2) rejects as authoritative, cites on both the

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I read somewhere recently (I don't remember where)that the Jovovich-Hawk fashion line is now defunct. Can anyone verify this?

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So you don't know what Jovovich meant when she said "I am a strong Ukrainian girl"? Or are you avoiding my arguments again? —

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Until some reliable sources can be found it's best to not even mention her nationality or birth place in the lead paragraph.

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because of copyright? Milla Jovovich is the most beautiful woman in the world. I think, you can put better pictures of her.

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Great, great work. Once these issues are taken care of, I'll pass the article so it can go on to bigger and better things!

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Ukrainian as for born in Ukraine, obviously she didn't mean Ukrainian ethnicity because she is not Ukrainian by ethnicity!

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Milla Jovovich is a ukranian actress. She moved to the U.S in 1994. her father is from Serbia and her mother is Russian.

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Ella no habla ruso bien. Y definitivamente no es su lengua materna. ¿Dónde puedo saber - Rusia es realmente mi patria!

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under "Compilations, soundtracks and albums featuring Jovovich". However the only info I can find about this, on IMDB

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in Japan to match the Japanese naming of the video game. If you think that isn't noteworthy still, I'll remove it. -

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To avoid edit warring about whether Jovovich is anti-communist or not, a few reminders. The article must adhere to

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in 2007, however, with the announcement of her pregnancy early that year, the film was postponed until Summer 2008.

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article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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is always that she is Montenegrin based on the most reliable sources (her own words being the most important). --

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is always that she is Montenegrin based on the most reliable sources (her own words being the most important). --

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was based from the video game which was a Japanese franchise. I re-wrote a portion to say that it was released as

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The topic at hand in the sentence "I am a strong Ukrainian girl" is Ukrainians; hence the re-direct should be to

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Added Category:Ukrainian film actors: I don't understand why this hasn't been added yet, but I added it myself.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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https://web.archive.org/web/20130704031355/http://www.askmen.com/specials/2008_top_99/milla-jovovich-90-1.html

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In a modern world, I don't think anyone can be listed as part of a clan without herself acknowledging that. --

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Since we do have a link for her partial Russian ethnicity I also added her to the Russian-Americans category.

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Ms. Jovovich is perfectly justified in saying that she is Montenegrin. That's what the article must say. --

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I noticed that the current one is from 2002...There has to be a more recent one floating around somewhere...

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Great work all involved on this article, was a pleasure to read. If only you were doing all of wiki haha

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This sequel to The Blue Lagoon (1980) placed her opposite Brian Krause, in the romance and adventure film

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Omit any mention of parents' nationality/citizenship, or which nationality/ethnicity she identifies as.

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Agreed. Only with statement cited to a credible and reliable source should such a category be included.

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She had accepted the role of Alice because she and her brother had been fans of the video game franchise

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is already included. Since this film was made for television (Disney Channel), it is listed under the

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The role of Fangora in Dummy, brought Jovovich together in film with Oscar-winning friend Adrien Brody

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I found an interview in witch she calls herself "a strong Ukrainian girl, that is why I work a lot"

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that support the change you want to be made. Self-published sources are not considered reliable. —

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have to do with this discussion. A reliable source is being sought for her citizenship/nationality.

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Jovovich was among other models who gained controversy for partaking in the industry at a young age

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