Talk:Millennium Force/Archive 1

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vehicles, there's tourists, you wouldn't say avoid all of them and concentrate only on the subject, you'd say it looks good and natural. Its the same here. Also, the more the number of relevant images, the better the reader understands the article. Most of the people I've seen just scroll through many of the articles concentrating only on the images. Let the image stay, it will help if someone's researching the rides the night before they go (they generally do that!).

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With an eye towards FAC, I'd say your biggest issue going forward is making sure you explain specialized terminology. Take a slow read through the entire article and look out for places where you're taking information for granted. The average reader is not going to understand what terms mean in the

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I added refs for the train colors and the hydraulic lap bars and seat belts. However, I left, The seat belt must be fastened before securing the lapbar. I feel like that is common sense as you can't fasten your seat belt if there is a lap bar over it. If you think it should be deleted then I guess it

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Although the park's information says 2:45 for ride length, anyone with a stopwatch can tell you that the ride is more like 1:20. Infact, the control panel has a readout of each trip's time with an average around 65 to 70 seconds. A time faster than 58 seconds results in an overspeed trouble light and

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Millennium Force, Cedar Point’s 310-foot-tall “giga-coaster,” was rated the “Best Steel Roller Coaster in the World” in the “Golden Ticket Awards,” which are presented to the “best of the best” in the amusement industry as voted in an international survey conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. Since

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See, the employee in the corner adds a natural element to the image, it won't look like its a studio image, I agree it looks amateurish, but that's what the image is all about, it should show what the entrance actually looks like. In many images on Knowledge, there are people in the picture, there's

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Is there a reliable source that says its a twister? Either way, the definition of a twister is if the track goes over/under it's self multiple times. MF only does this twice (at the exact same points). An out and back coaster is a coaster that typically has very few "points of intersection" with the

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In the layout section, this sentence is confusing: "While the train is being loaded with passengers, the catch car for the cable lift descends the lift and latches onto the middle car of the train." I'm having a hard time visualizing this. What is a catch car? What and where is this lift, and how

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I have looked at the GA Review above and made several fixes and cleanup to the article. The review mentions to include information about construction but I have not been able to find information on that. I think it it ready for Good article review since I made the fixes from the previous nomination.

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There's nothing wrong with a park employee or guest being in the picture, but an off-centered picture with the head of an employee looking down is where I would draw the line. If more of the employee was showing, and if the sign was closer to the center, then it would be more acceptable. The way it

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The lead does not reflect the body of the article which claims holding, rather than helping break. I think it is stretching a point to say the Millenium Force (the ride) even helped to break the first record under 'Park Records'; Most rides at an amusement park (68/73), just by being one in a group

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I agree that there needs to be more clarification in the "Park records" section, but it is mentioned in the lead that the coaster either broke or helped break these records. So, although some are park records, it was this coaster that helped the park achieve them. You can see this briefly mentioned

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Instead of pointing to other coasters as a reason to label MF as terrain, we should just focus on MF. Other coasters could be incorrectly labeled. So with that in mind, I don't see any examples of MF relying on the use of terrain for either the track layout or ride experience (passing over water on

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I could not find anything within reference #11 that supported this statement: "Passengers are advised that they must not ride Millennium if they have "a history of recent surgery, heart trouble/high blood pressure, neck trouble, back trouble, or any other condition that may be aggravated by riding,

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The main issue in this article is the lack of references or the fact that the references don't support some statements that there are supposed to. I will put this article on hold for 7 days in order for improvements to be made. If you have any questions, please feel free to leave me a message on my

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It isn't about winning, and no need to apologize. We welcome and appreciate others who want to improve articles. Just keep in mind that when you think a change may be controversial, open a discussion about it on the article's talk page. If you cite a source for every change you make in an article,

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video of the official POV of Millenium Force, the ride is 1:46 minutes (106 seconds). It never rolled back, stalled, or valleyed. It was moving perfectly smoothly, so that statement could not be true, unless you are talking about the time from the beginning of the drop to the final brake run (1:20

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Yes, the sign is located at the entrance. In an article that already has seven pics, I'm not sure what value it brings to the table though. If the image was properly cut and only depicted the sign, then perhaps it would be acceptable with a proper caption, but that's not the case in your proposed

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use of the terrain, and typically there should be more than one element on the ride that fits the criteria. The Beast is a great example. The first drop utilizes a steep hillside, and several of the turns are banked by a hill. And it's not just about elevation and banked turns. The Beast's entire

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That's because Son of Beast incorporates the surrounding land into the design of the ride. If you built Son of Beast elsewhere, it would cause significant change to the ride design. Millennium Force is not influenced any surrounding land elements and can be built on any piece of flat land with no

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A note I recieved brings up an interesting point. Do we want what is published? Or what is right? And what if there are several different versions of the published information. The website says one thing, but having WORKED at some of these rides and read (and even edited) the manuals I know that

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section of the article, reference #10 does not support this statement: "Millennium Force has three trains colored: red, blue, and yellow." These sentences also have no references: "Each seat has an individual hydraulic T-shaped lap bar and seat belt across the rider's lap. The seat belt must be

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It might be worth noting that the lift used to accelerate as it neared the top of the hill, almost creating the sensation that it was "throwing" you over the hill. Starting this year though, the train slows at the top, which makes for a new experience in the front seat. I liked the acceleration

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Couldn't it also be a terrain coaster then? It takes advantage of adventure island. And yes, it does go to the island, but it turns around twice in the island, so what about a double out and back then? An out and back coaster is when a coaster goes out, turns around, and then heads back to the

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In response to the comment, "...there was no response from your side for a considerable amount of time...", keep in mind that a reasonable amount of time is 1-2 days (sometimes 3 if a weekend is involved). You waited only 9 hours. Many of us are only active on here Mon-Fri and are located in

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Two things. First off, Son of Beast appears to be built on flat land. There are photos showing the land it was on, and they appear to be flat. Second, just because a roller coaster isn't always close to the ground doesn't mean it's not a terrain roller coaster, like Vortex(the mountain is

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In the lighting section: "Twenty COLORado Range and ten COLORado Ridge wash lights were installed at the base of the lift hill structure." That needs explanation. I have no idea what those lights are, and I'm guessing most people who aren't experts on either lights, amusement parks, or

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The image I posted is a picture of the logo of Millennium Force that is located at the entrance to the ride. The picture itself might not depict the entrance per se, but the picture is located at the entrance. If anyone wants to double check, check out the streetview link below.

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From the looks of it, I'm going to fail this article. There's nothing on the concept or any information during it's being built. The fact that the ride layout and statistics are unreferenced as well hurts. Best to just expand, ref, make sure everything's good, and re-nom.

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edit. The image is poorly centered on the sign and shows an employee in the lower right. I recommend finding a better one and getting consensus here before readding. To avoid turning this into a gallery, we may need to cut out a picture or two before adding a new one. --

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Sorry, I forgot to mention one more thing: "It is different from Millennium Force and Intimidator though because it features different trains, track, mechanics, restraints and uses a chain lift, not a cable lift." has no reference. It shouldn't be hard to find one

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then a discussion isn't usually needed. As for the "Out and back" designation of this coaster, it's certainly worth noting that there aren't any cited sources that support it. May be better off leaving this one blank, though it doesn't really matter to me. --

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The part about the name being trademarked, followed by the phrase "which raised more speculation about the new ride", should probably be expanded. Just saying there was speculation doesn't really tell us anything useful. Particular details would be

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The last sentence includes this: "officials reported that it would not have inversions, which confirmed that the ride would be manufactured by Intamin". Why did that confirm the manufacturer? There is no previous mention of Intamin in the

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I am not a fan of this specific photo. I'd be in favor of having a better photo of the actual entrance and sign. The photo in use is amateurish and the lighting is too distracting for me. Plus, it is off-centered and that is distracting as

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and am almost completely sure that I got all the elements and the camera. However, if anybody notices anything missing, please let me know. Also, any constructive criticism on how to improve the section would be appreciated as well.

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section of the article, reference #11 does not support this statement, "The station is split up into two platforms, one for unloading and one for loading. Two trains are loading and unloading while the third train is running the

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The article is wrong when it says that Millenium Force is Stengel's favorite among the roller coasters he designed. The PDF that is supposed to support this statement only says that it's one of his 10 favorite projects.

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Then why isn't it a double out and back then? Also, terrain coasters can be on flat land, like Vortex at Canada's Wonderland(the mountain is artificial) and The Beast as well. I still believe it could also be a terrain

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different time zones. Typically when only two editors are involved in the discussion, you should definitely wait for confirmation from the other editor, or at least post another reply asking for a response using the {{

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I don't think it was ranked at all the year it opened, since the awards are announced in July but the park opens in May. Based on Cedar Point's awards page, Millie was #1 in 2002, 2004, 2005, and 2006, and #2 in 2003.

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section of the article, reference #11 does not support this statement, "There is no minimum age requirement, but passengers must meet the miniumum height requirement of 48 inches and a maximum of 78 inches to ride."

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The statement, "Millennium was repainted for the first time in the 2011 and 2012 season. New LED lights were also installed for the 2012 season.", could be changed to something like this: "For the first time in

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That resource has differences between RCDb.com that there shouldn't be so I don't know whether it should be included(it's also enthusiast driven). I did not see any references on that out and back page on

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I am planning on changing any reference to Millenium Island along the ride to Adventure Island because that's the "official" name of the island with the opening of Dimosaurs Alive. Does anybody object?

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Millennium Force is an out and back roller coaster. It goes out to the island, turns around, and comes back. It is defiantly not a twister roller coaster as Dom stated, it only intersects twice.--

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section of the article, the reference that is linked to the paragraph (#9) does not mention any numbers of the speed, height, etc. Find a reference that supports this and add it to the paragraph.

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I actually couldn't find a reference for that. I'm looking for one of those "Millennium Force vs. Leviathan" articles that websites use to compare coasters but I haven't been able to find one.--

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In most of the article, Giga Coaster is capitalized, but in the influence section, it's lowercase and in quotation marks. I don't know which way is preferred, but they should all be the same.

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What is the source that you got those definitions from? I thought an out and back coaster is one where the coaster goes out to a specific point and comes back, and MF doesn't really do that.

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Millennium Force's history, the entire layout of the roller coaster was repainted during the 2011 and 2012 season. New LED lights were also installed around the coaster for the 2012 season."

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I added this to the talk page for Top Thrill Dragster, and it's also relevant here even though this article doesn't mention the size limit. A woman submitted a complaint to Ripoff Report (

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says (along with various other pages, if you do a google) it was also ranked #1 in 2001 -- makes sense since, in 2005, CP said it had ranked first four times -- bringing our total to five.

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I am sorry, but there was no response from your side for a considerable amount of time, so I thought you agreed with my views. But you are right. We'll let other editors weigh in.

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Terrain is such a loose term often used incorrectly to describe a type of roller coaster. Major elements – such as the first drop, banked turns, or an inversion – need to make

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I do not know of any reliable sources that can verify that this is and out and back roller coaster, so I said this is a twister roller coaster, which I believe is constructive.

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Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind. I will try to get a front seat ride on MF the next time I go to CP. It probably will not be till early August though. --

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What is the difference between a chain lift and cable lift? Can chain lift be wikilinked, or can they both be explained in the lead? Not sure if they're explained later.

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There is no reference anywhere in the article supporting this statement in the lead section of the article: "Millennium Force's tagline is "The future is riding on it.""

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There seems to be some confusion between Millenium Force (the ride) and Cedar Point amusement park. Millenium Force surely does not and cannot have held park records?

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a time slower than 89 seconds means the train isn't coming back at all (rollback). It depends on the temprature of the day, so this is a really hard stat to pin down.

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That's interesting, it's the opposite with me. It works on my iPad but when I removed the "http://", it doesn't work. I'll just try to find another source for that.--

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You do realize in a way (depending how you look at it), RCDB is also enthusiast driven yet still extremely reliable. Either way, I give up as I see no end to this.--

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A terrain coaster is when it changes elevation throughout the ride. I believe it's all flat land. It doesn't really matter how many times it turns around. Take

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I'm sure that the size limit is incorrect, as it is listed as 4'0", but I can't find an edit revision that has the correct size limit and I don't know it.

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Okay, you guys win. It's an out and back. I apologize for that comment about Knowledge not being a reliable resource and anything else I might've done.

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quite a few of these stats are way off. I understand the need for citation, but it hurts me to see stats that are wrong by double or even more.

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Some of those coasters are actually correctly defined a terrain, on RCDb.com. With that in mind, we actually can compare it to other coasters.

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Thanks for the copy edit, it is much appreciated! This is the first roller coaster FAC ever so this helps to get a real outside view on it.--

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places I mentioned above and elsewhere. I've seen this brought up as an issue numerous times in FACs for video game articles. Good luck! —

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track following the 1st lift hill is in a wooded area isolated from the rest of the park, which is clearly a notable feature of the ride.

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Reference #6 is not working. I "played" with the URL and it looks like if you remove the "http://", the link will then work. Change that.

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was positioned in the shot is distracting and doesn't live up to encyclopedic standards. I see you've already rammed it back in before

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https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4820618,-82.6864622,3a,75y,165.82h,76.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZDo02sDRKKdF6f8BvbfinQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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section of the article, could you please explain to be what the numbers in brackets mean? Example: Most rides at an amusement park

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opening in 2000, it has been given the title of No. 1 four times since 2001 and has never been ranked lower than No. 2 in the poll.

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The ref doesn't specifically say this about Millennium but it says it about all the rides, which obviously included Millennium.--

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Not worth going back and forth undoing each other's edits so I've removed the parameter all together until we figure this out.

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RCDb.com doesn't say what MF is, which is a problem. I guess it is subjective to what is considered "close to the ground."

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Just a heads up, I added the notion of the stadium seating arrangement in the coaster's trains in the Train secion.

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If that's the case with Vortex, I see no reason why MF isn't terrain. If only the river influences it, why not MF?

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Millennium Force is defined as an "out and back" coaster by this source and on the wikipedia "out and back" page.

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for example, it turns around twice but it's still just an out and back roller coaster. I hope this helps.--

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Cedar Point's claim of Millennium Force being the #1 steel coaster on the planet stems from the ratings of

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because it made the long lift hill less tedious, but hanging over the top at 80 degrees was pretty wild. --

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Completely untrue; Cedar Point is open from May-October; the ride opened on opening day 2000 (May 13).

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I will do a review for this section once the issues mentioned in the comment section are resolved.

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has held records for the following (May 2000 statistic on left and May 2013 statistic on right):

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Hey again, I'm with you. I'd rather have the realistic statistics on these pages, unfortunately

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I think I'll go ahead and add them to the article, since someone took the time to add the

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SOB is considered terrain because the land under it isn't flat according to this source

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Not necessarily. Son of beast is considered terrain, and it wasn't close to the ground.

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does it latch onto the middle car? Is it from above or underneath, or something else?

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I'm taking a crack at it now. I have a couple questions, which I may add to as I go:

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can be, I just couldn't find a source for that besides for experiencing it myself.--

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which is not permitted. Let's give it some time to let other editors weigh in. --

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for us to do the comparison, but more importantly, you won't be able to achieve

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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68 is the number of rides in May 2000. 74 is the number of rides in May 2012.--

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I actually heard that it opened sometime in December 1999. Now I'm confused. --

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I think you should edit your page because millenuim was voted #1 this year.

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I hate to say it, but the seat belt part is considered original research.--

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of seventy three. Surely it would be better to change the section to start

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I will address each issue, most of those if not all will be easy to fix.--

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If the "track" field will be filled a consensus is needed. According to

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from July, 2006 indicates Millie was #1 this year as well. There's also

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I figured you would say that. It's no problem, I'll just delete it.--

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Should ride names be italicized or not? Looks like most aren't but

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here without defining clear examples that show why terrain is a

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magazine. So far I've been able to track down three references:

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section need to be added to help verify some of the statements.

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B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with

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Knowledge isn't a reliable resource, nor is the other one.

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I have typed up a walkthough of MF in accordance with the

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A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have

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I found another red in the article that supports that.--

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reference supports the statement previously mentioned.

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Can you explain what a "Giga Coaster" is in the text?

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stats published somewhere, we shouldn't use them. --

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Out_and_back_roller_coaster

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