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163:. We (german, french, italian... speaking countries ) called a us-billion not billion but "milliard" our billion is 1000 times a us-billion. Do you see clear? No? As you can see, millions of peoples are confusing every day by reading newspaper articles they have been directly translated from us or gb-english into our languages because of interpreters don't know this mature difference...
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What exactly does your link have to do with milliard or megamillions? In fact, what does it have to do with the real world at all, as it seems to be some wackos invention of a new number system that vitually no-one can, or would want to, understand?
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If you read the article and the talk page, you will note that "billion" is not a fixed term and means different things in different places. In the US a billion is equivalent to a milliard. Elsewhere that is not guaranteed.
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