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Okay, did that. Sometimes it worked better to refer to "type style" instead, but the revised version seems to work much better. The other change that I am a bit reluctant to make is to the typeface box at the top right. This is a nice summary of information, except that it is the kind of box used for
820:) 12:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC) There is a remaining problem: the title of the article itself is still "Ming (Typeface)". Again, this makes about as much sense as an article entitled "Boston Red Sox (Baseball Player)". Seems like it could be "Ming (type style)" or "Ming (typeface classification)"....
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Orthographic reforms have adopted a standard that is closer to commonly handwritten forms, although the change isn't dramatic. The current revision implies people were already writing in the current form of
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Ming or Minchō typeface (Traditional
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English, as Ming/Song is a
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I don't know if someone wants to add this somewhere (probably doesn't, since there's no way anyone can find a citation for this), but maybe someone may find this useful. So I'll put this here.
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