181:...How does listing the awards prove your point? The only award given at Miss USA is Miss USA. The point is that both have split-offs to lists of winners, not just plastered on the main article. The article about the award should be dedicated to the history and background of the award, and possibly the presentation ceremony (if it isn't notable enough for it's own articles). Award winner lists are split-off articles as any award more than a few years old has too much content to be included in the actual article.
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164:. If some was put in, and list list moved out the way, I might not mind. I do think there's a distinction between a title (where people expect to find the holder of a title) and an award show. If you win an Emmy, you are not known as "Emmy". If you win "Miss USA", you are known as "Miss USA" (sometimes more so than your real name). Incendently, your example of
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Yes, I know that. You didn't get my point. I think your failing to appreciate the sigficance of what the term "Miss USA" actually refers to. An "Emmy Award" obviously refers to the awards (which the article lists), and not to the winners of the award. "Miss USA" refers to the actual winners, who
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discussion of same-sex marriage within the article that I'm seeing. As such, there's zero connection, right? I'd heard that a contestant was recently given a loaded question about the topic (which, obviously, only had one valid answer that they would've accepted), but that isn't mentioned here. If
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Organizations often capitalize more than is required in their official releases, but that does not obligate the news outlets to follow that same capitalization. From what I can fine the P in pageant is only consistently capitalized in the press releases when it follows Miss USAĀ® with the Ā® symbol
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Actually, it's mentioned in the 2009 entry. What I personally can't find anywhere, though, are the rules for the pageant itself. Rules for entry are easily found. But even the Miss USA site doesn't seem to list the rules for how the pageant is conducted, scored, etc. These would be a useful
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each become "Miss USA". The winner of Miss USA doesn't "receive a Miss USA", she "becomes Miss USA". This article is about people who became Miss USA. Nobody became an Emmy, or an Oscar, so those aren't relevant examples (in the way your tried to use them). --
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and not list after list. About half the content of the Miss USA article was a giant list that broke apart the text completely, even with my huge resolution monitor. The Miss USA article should be about the pageant, as the women who have
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Miss USA. We can include a short descriptor about each or something if that will keep you happy but as such the article now looks pretty strange. As for the discussion at the Emmy's - there are
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I'm new here, so I'm probably sticking my head out a bit far, but isn't it also about consensus? And it looks like there's two in favour of it being part of the main article and one against...
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These seem to be very special girls... Since the
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The first Eurasian winner is listed as 1984, but that is incorrect. The first Eurasian winner was much earlier..Miss USA 1962 was Macel Wilson of Hawaii, who was Eurasian. (
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That's why I said it's a democracy, so currently the majority is for it. However, generally merge discussions are left up for more than a day before reaching a decision.
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If that is the heart of the article then it isn't much of an article. It's a basic style constant (going back to the original title of FAs) that good articles have
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Am I missing it, or is there no legend in any of the three maps? The states have various bright colors, but I can't find anywhere that says what the colors mean.
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