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from about late 19th century on, the focus of publications by
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I would keep them to as few as possible, in a zig-zag layout in-line with text, there are plenty of lists of wildlife and even galleries on
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I traced back publications about forests in south India to a book dating 1860, in which the author mentioned logging operations in "Mudumalai forest" : volumes, people hired, elephants used, prices + that the
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Naturally, it is in violation of the basic purpose of the encyclopedia if it is being used to display an unjustified number of images - more interestingly, since I know the area, I had to look up the elephant supposedly attacking a car - and found that the number-plate is not of Indian format. A
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in Tamil ...For the aesthetic reason, it is requested to kindly include the tamil translation for "Mudumalai
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the park aims to preserve. Image inline with the text would be the best in my opinion (for which we would need more textual content). Multiple images intermittently would be appropriate if you think there are more images worth retaining. (This is how I managed to retain more images in the
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how often did you add a link to the South
Western Ghats montane rain forests? And how often did I remove it, because it is INCORRECT? At least 5 times, possibly more! And it will NOT become correct, if you add it again and again and again. I recommend you to READ + understand the book by
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Alas, there are no photos of vultures in the resp. Commons page of
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images of fauna compared to other Nat'l Parks. Cf. Mukurthi Nat'l Park with the
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