Talk:Multiracial Americans/Archive 2

2218:"The mean African admixture among White Americans is low -- roughly 0,7% African and 99,3 European admixture. To put this in to perspective, this would have been the result if every member of the U.S. White endogamous group alive today had a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture seven generations ago (around the year 1850). Of course, African alleles are not distributed evenly. Seventy percent of White Americans (like 5.5 percent of Blacks) have no detectable African genetic admixture at all. Among the thirty percent of Whites with African genetic admixture, the admixture ratio averages to about 2.3 percent, the equivalent of having a single ancestor of one hundred percent African genetic admixture from around the year 1880. Black Americans, on the other hand, have significant European admixture (averaging about 75 percent African and 25 percent European)." 736:

them off as Black simply because they are mixed with Black. You are saying that they should stop promoting "Black Multiracials" and promote people of mixed European and Asian ancestry. If that's not racist I don't know what is. These people are a perfect example of the race of the future yet you still want to separate than and talk about what's better and what's worse. I am of mixed African, European, and Native American ancestry but I guess to people like you I'm a black person. However I do understand the views of many of these people. I will be adding info to the African American, Asian, and Native Ameican section.

1087:"There is evidence that an accounting by genetic ancestry would produce a higher number, but people live according to social and cultural identities, not DNA." People live acording to what the people looks like. Because obama is dark skinned he is considered black no matter that he was raised by his white grandparents. Tom morello is considered white because he looks white. That his father was black is not important to people. So race isn't determinated by DNA or culture is only determinated by the colour of the skin and by the features of the people. 31: 2096:

simultaneously being desirous of identifying with only one "race"; these groups are as cultural as they are scientific, after all. The article, in general, is written with the spirit of a kind of "racial truism", whereby "races" are taken as given categories, constants, that must be acknowledged. This is a tricky method of framing that often may ignore the complexities of such identities in the United States.

83:) towards entertainers and politicians. Additionally the Politicians are heavily biased towards elected and nominee Democrats over other parties (4 to 1). Therefore, I will tag this article accordingly. And recommend that the infobox be diversified by individuals who are notable from different fields of notability other than these two, and that the politicians be excluded or be balanced so that the infobox is 1133:, did the presence of more than 123 indiscriminate images "illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images"? Did they "have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject"? Honestly, I think the answer to both of those questions is no. — 1067:

In the next (2020) US Census, you can bet on Middle Eastern will be classified an ethnicity, just like Hispanic or Latino is. The Census discusses groupings like Caribbean-Americans, Oceanian Americans and treating Indian or South Asian groups apart from East Asian groups. Canada has further division

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I do not understand why you people are one dropping these multiracial people even when this article is meant to be against this. You claim you're not racist yet you call them "Black Multiracials" instead of Navtive American, White, or Asian Multiracials. Why are you one dropping them and just writing

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he use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Knowledge (XXG) articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the

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However, Knowledge (XXG) is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia

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Look I'm only going to say this once. Multiracial Americans can only exist in the context of the official US Census Bureau. If you aren't going to follow the official rules of race in America then this article might as well be deleted. Steve Jobs is half-Middle Eastern and half-European, which in

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shouldn't be cited for anything relating to human ancestry, even if he was working for UPI. I am sure there are multiple guidelines and community consensuses that would discourage that. OUP Oxford is a far superior source. I also would like to say that I'm not casting judgment on whoever cited

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I'll see if I can find some republican politicians that are multi/biracial. Never really saw this as a political issue and I figure that maybe picture files from other sections in the article can be moved to the infobox and those in the infobox moved to specific sections. Even though finding

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Very simple bit: this article often talks of people "acknowledging" or wanting to "acknowledge" multi-racial identities and backgrounds. While this is fine, it is worth being aware that many individuals are fully aware of their multi-racial backgrounds (thereby "acknowledging" them), whilst

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FYI - You didn't 'switch them out'. For example, Malcolm X and Bryan Clay are duplicated on the page. Halle Berry is supposed to replace Malcolm X in the African-American section gallery. Robert Scott is supposed to replace Bryan Clay in the Afro-Asian section gallery. So forth and so on...

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Americans do not understand that other countries are multiracial. Someone is not multiracial just because their parents are Ecuadorian and German. Ecuador and Germany are multiracial countries as well! Honestly this article is simply outrageous. And so is the US Census.

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into more groups under "visible minorities" and Arabs are considered one of them in the Canadian census. Steve Jobs may be considered all-white/Caucasian in the US, then again the 2020 Census will allow a new ethnicity for Middle-Eastern and North-African Americans.

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and the link to the corresponding article. The explanation is "Mixed bloods were part of the Métis identity." Can you explain that more clearly? Are you saying they are the same thing? Do you have any published sources, like books, that you can cite that say this?

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Census terms translates to 100% white American. Arab and European is NOT mixed race in the United States. Please remove him from the infobox in order to make this article correlate to the established rules of race in America, not the rules you have in your head.

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Additionally, as has been mentioned before on this talk page, we should be careful regarding having the infobox be unbalanced by having an undue weight of multiracial african americans, and also include other groups such as Amerasians. For instance there is

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A more accurate way to summarize is that 30% of self-reported whites have less than <90% non-European ancestry. The 30% of white Americans from Mark Shriver's study had not only sub-Saharan African but also Asian and Native American ancestry as well.

2214: 2225:"Thus, while the West African contribution to an African American's ancestry averages about 80%, its range is wide (i.e., ~20-100%) (Shriver, et al. 2003). The genetic composition of self-identified European Americans also varies, 2207:"To Shriver, the most personally stunning of his findings involved one subject who reported himself to be completely white, yet whose genetic analysis showed that 22 percent of his relatively recent ancestors were African." 2196:"DNA analysis shows varied results regarding non-European ancestry in self-identified White Americans. A 2002 DNA analysis found that about 30% of self-identified White Americans have recent sub-Saharan African ancestry." 438:

Yes, it is. But I proposed a change that switched the info box images out with those already in the article. Now, there are several images that duplicate because they were not 'switched out' as I had originally proposed.

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I agree that articles should be illustrated, if possible. Please feel free to add back a few pictures to each section, just as I left all the images that weren't in galleries. However, please keep in mind

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They claim that the state can use biological data for forensic, archaeological and other reasons, but not for any reason, especially if the personality of the citizen is infringed.

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I think, they add to the reader's understanding of the subject. If 123 images are too much, some can be deleted, but several images in every section are appropriate in my opinion.

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I don't see any objections so far for the changes proposed above, perhaps we should go ahead with the changes to the infobox given that there appears to be consensus?--

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120115023007/http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/opm-news/26176-officePM-pm-golding-congratulates-kamala-harris-daughter-of-jamaican-on-appoint

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Actually there are several, the Republican Party is not Caucasian only. For instance see the line up of speakers at the 2012 Republican National Convention.--

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who is neither an actor, musicians nor politicians, but an athlete. I agree that some of the images from other sections can be exchanged, such as switching

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The proposal would split the existing 150K character article, creating a new article ‘History of Multiracial People’, and would merge content into

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balance? Perhaps the balance you seek is based on phenotype and not politics. If that's the case, perhaps Della Reese should be switched with

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http://web.archive.org/web/20081110035515/http://www.philstar.com:80/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20081107124

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120514203257/http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/07/07/2000-07-07_rosie__her_mom___aids_activi.html

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120514205002/http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/07/08/2000-07-08_rosie_helped_mom__aids_group.html

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Yes, someone should go ahead with the changes. Just note that profile summary for section gallery image replacements need to be cited.

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http://www.birminghampost.net/life-leisure-birmingham-guide/postfeatures/2009/04/10/the-rock-s-on-a-roll-in-hollywood-65233-23360885/

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I was just suggesting other politicians who could be equal to John Ensign, not that the change from John Ensign is necessary.--

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http://www.jis.gov.jm/news/opm-news/26176-officePM-pm-golding-congratulates-kamala-harris-daughter-of-jamaican-on-appoint

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http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/06/21/sclc_head_michelle_obama_treat.html

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The article uses different words to describe the same thing: ancestry, descent, extraction, stock, etc. This is called

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https://web.archive.org/web/20090704152512/http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2004/edition_10-03-2004/featured_0

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article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100421022826/http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/services/articles_gbr77.asp

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https://web.archive.org/20071105200515/http://www.blackamericaweb.com:80/site.aspx/bawnews/stateof/nativeroots109

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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https://web.archive.org/web/20081002234040/http://www.csupomona.edu/~mreibel/2000_Census_Files/Allen-Turner.doc

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https://web.archive.org/web/20111229232603/http://www.asiancemagazine.com/2011/03/17/meg-tilly-is-asian-irish

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Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (policy)/Archive 123#Titles of articles about ethnic groups of the United States

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110826082854/http://www.afterellen.com/archive/ellen/People/jenniferbeals.html

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https://web.archive.org/web/20090218181200/http://afroamhistory.about.com/od/ethelwaters/a/bio_waters_e.htm

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Within in the Body of the article? I was of the understanding that this discussion was about the infobox.--

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This does appear more diverse and politically balanced. Also may I propose that John Ensign be replaced by

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https://web.archive.org/20090129191839/http://www.hwwilson.com:80/Currentbio/cover_bios/cover_bio_6_05.htm

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in the Afro-Asian section. That would further diversify the professions of those featured in the infobox:

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Actually, the only mentioning of the word recent in this context is to Mark Shriver's personal ancestry:

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I have gone ahead and tagged the infobox, tag shouldn't be removed until infobox issue is resolved.--

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from the infobox (who dually identifies as African-American and biracial) with civil rights activist

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