1400:"I personally think the MMOKiller moniker is redundant and not needed for that article of a neutral Wiki entry. The numbers stated there speaks more of that conclusion more than anything and keeps things simple while getting the point across... Forums already get the bad rap as not being reliable sources as is. Lets break that stereotype. The media and websites are used to and expect angry gamers when the game get shut down and expect negative biased information and look upon it for entertainment until it dies down unti lnext game gets shutdown. If we want to change, we have to stick to the facts and show that gamers can be unhappy, but we all not simple emotion people that only can "nerd-rage" when we are angry and incapable of looking at anything with an unbiased view."
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I'm just trying to keep the article as non-biased as possible. I understand cohtitan wants publicity of their cause but I do not think wikipedia is the appropriate place to further that cause at the expense of non-bias statements and facts. For example, can you prove or has sources that proves there were other reason for the decision to close besides the one that have been released by NCSoft, which also comes from a source cited? I'm not sure if the forum is considered a good source or not either but cohtitan definately a biased source for this topic.
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Best case scenario, overtly emotionally charged edits will be reverted. Worst case scenario, the page will be locked so that only administrators will be able to modify it. Neither of those achieves anything but reduce our credibility and paint us in bad light. We are better than that.
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1432:-All we have to do, is use solid facts to paint NCsoft as a reactionary, xenophobic company with little to no connection to its Western audience We need to concentrate on bringing the pain to NCSoft until it becomes too painful for them to keep cybersquatting on our game.
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