400:). The reference that ‘Nasib Hasanov has no industry-related education’ is not tenable since the entrepreneurial ability does not depend on the earned diploma. History knows lots of names, such as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc, who never had an industry-related academic background, but were masters of their craft taking advantage of innate business savvy. Moreover, the shareholder of the company holds degree in engineering. So the use of such wording sounds like offence to the owner. As a UK-registered holding Company it submits its tax reports to the relevant UK tax authorities according to UK legislation. In Azerbaijan the Company operates through its branch office, which reports to local tax authorities in accordance with Azeri legislation. The Company operates within anti-corruption policy applied in obedience to UK legislation (Anti-Bribery Act). Financials of the group companies are audited on annual base by "big 4" international audit companies such as Deloitte and Ernst & Young. Therefore, the company meets obligations towards the governments of the countries in which it operates. Considering all of the above mentioned, I would kindly ask you to move away the irrelevant information on Nobel Oil as the sources providing it are not reliable, reflection of this inaccurate information on Knowledge confuses readers and harms the reputation of the Company.
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government contracts and choice pieces of oil and gas blocks in the
Caspian Sea, the shadowy Nobel Oil Group has a murky relationship with the government and non-transparent ownership structure. Its founder and declared 100% owner, Nasib Jabbar Oglu Hasanov, has no oil industry education or energy background prior to establishing the company and immediately getting choice contracts from domestic and international government and private corporations." -- is worng one inspired by wrong article
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Russian-based company were attributed to British-registered one. That was why the Burman newspaper erroneously arrived at an idea that the activities of Nobel Oil Group were murky, and Azeri media followed that inaccurate information. No Romanian media outlets naming Nobel Oil ‘murky’ has been revealed, although it is mentioned in the above-mentioned section. The Group leads transparent activities, regularly updates company-related information on its website (
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Branson has no "space" or telecom education or background and is it important if he is entrepreneur? His business succesful and responsible in front of the society. The same goes for Nasib Hasanov. He is an entrepreneur. The entrepreneur is commonly seen as a business leader and innovator of new ideas and business processes.
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When weblinks are not available anymore for whatever reason (in this case Nobel Oil Group put pressure on online media and forced removal of articles), Knowledge calls for: 1) usage of WebCite to archive the material (which was used, and could have been used by user Drmies, who being an administrator
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That's classic - Nobel Oil Group is putting extreme pressure on the already less than free media and press in
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That's not the case. The article is clearly about Nobel Oil Group of
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Hasanov, and both are headquartered at the same London address. But they publish group accounts with different auditors (Ernst & Young and Deloitte respectively), they have entirely different
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I am not sure why you share many of these press releases and general corporate news as "evidence" of the company being supposedly not shadowy. Several independent news reports disagree with you. Also, AZERTAG.AZ is an
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So what was put in criticism section of Nobel Oil Group is a simple misunderstanding and misconception. Nobel Oil Group do not do projects in Burma. I respect your efforts but you have confused the names of company, especially Redzed9876. What do you think of it? I appreciate your time but please
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Offshore Nobel Oil Ltd. is registered in St.Kitts & Nevis and has exactly the same address as other 4 offshore companies have (Londex Resources SA, Globex International, Willy and Meyris, Fargate Mining Corporation) One of the founders of Fargate Mining Corporation is Mr. Nasib Hasanov
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Offshore Nobel Oil Ltd. is registered in St.Kitts & Nevis and has exactly the same address as other 4 offshore companies have (Londex Resources SA, Globex International, Willy and Meyris, Fargate Mining Corporation) One of the founders of Fargate Mining Corporation is Mr. Nasib Hasanov
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There are actually two UK companies called Nobel Oil. 1) Nobel Oil E&P (UK) Limited, CEO Jeremy Huck. Active in Azerbaijan, the USA and UK. www.nobelupstream.com 2) Nobel Oil Services (UK) Limited, also UK registered, CEO Ali Batu. Active in Azerbaijan, Romania. www.nobeloil.com
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Richard Branson is leading transparent companies, is open to media scrutiny, and is not getting massive government contracts out of nowhere for unclear reasons. Richard Branson is also not subject to any investigations, unlike Mr. Nasib Hasanov. So comparison is without any merit.
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User Rahila Hasanova - how do you know so much about Nobel Oil Group? What is your knowledge based upon? Where are those Big 4 audit reports that you so confidently mention, for example? Meanwhile, comparing to
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Nobel Oil Ltd. has two shareholders: Allendorf SA (1%) and Technogas LTD (99%). It is not mentioned in any official source that Mr. Nasib Hasanov is the owner of the company. (
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have big mistakes. This story is about Russian Nobel Oil and the article wrongly mentions another company with the same name. Proof of this mistake here
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I do not see how those links are to reliable sources. In addition, the MOS frowns on separate "Controversy" sections". I have thus removed the section.
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