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kingdom.The decline of the people of
Pandyan and Nadar descent in kerala as well as Tamil Nadu started with this period. After 1550s all the Pandiyan principalities inside were occupied by Nairs.Though many Martially trained Nadar families still served the Venad kings as warriors. Valiathampi Kunjuthampi Kadaippadal written during 1700s during Marthanda Varmas period mentions many Nadar families served both Marthanda Varma and his opponents as warriors and protectors along with Kurups and Nairs. But after 1750s Nairs oppressed Nadars and tried to enslave them.From 1800 to 1860 period Nadars revolted against Travancore kingdom. Nadars rights for land ownership dresscode,buildings were restored when Travancore kings under pressure from the British residents passed laws in 1830s and 1860s. From 1750s to 1800s Nadars were oppressed by Nairs. When British rule was established in the 1800s and strong British residents like Col.Monroe(1816)started ruling Nadars started recovering again.
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like insulting our community in front of the other castes. Perhaps you should also pay a visit to the other caste articles. I don't want to mention the other castes with problematic pages as it would create an serious issue here in Tamil-Nadu. But for your info, I can cinch that almost all the Indian caste articles are not with proper references. I can assure you that this article is not of any false information. The article is not at all lengthy when compared to the other articles and is quite precise.More ever giving detail for every info in this article would sound strange. For eg: We all know that Bill
Clinton was an American president. It would be quite weird to append proofs to the article to show that he is indeed an American. Similarly the individuals I have mentioned in this article are full-blooded Nadars and this fact is widely known by everyone of our state. I can also assure you that this article can never be a violation. I thank you again for your time...
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Islam are still having Nadar as their surname. The muslims with Nadar surnames are in the Mandya and
Kanakpura area of Karnataka. The Naicker invasion in 1550s, made the Nadars landless and outlawed. Nadars were not let in their own temples built by their Pandyan ancestors. Some Nadars escaped to Kerala. At Kerala Nairs had occupied the former Chera Kingodm. The Nadars were forced to occupy a lower position after 1300s. It became worse after Marthanda Varma period in 1730s. Nadar women who used to cover their breasts and used to wear a cloth over the shoulders were not allowed to do so.They were not allowed to wear gold, possess more than 10 acres of land and not allowed to build two storey buildings.
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Pandyan rule. Southern and
Eastern Tamil Nadu, Southern Kerala (all the areas south of Trichur)was under the Pandiyan kingdom with the capital at Madurai till 880 AD. When Plini the elder vistied Kerala in 100 ad the Pandyans were ruling from Thiruvattuvai Nadu near the modern Thiruvalla. After the Chera rule was established in the Northern kerala a small Pandyan territory called Vallabha nadu which extended from Palaghat Malappuram and Gudalur districts existed but under the Chera Suzernity. The Tulunadu Pandyan kingdom separated from the Nadar ruled southern Pandyan kingdom before 2000 yrs probably ruled by the Nadavas.
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Socio-Historical Study. From Indus Valley
Civilization to present time. Published by: Historical Research & Publications Trust, 137/H-4 Bethel Nagar, Nagercoil-629004, Tamil Nadu, India, to get a proper view of our history. There also many other books to refer which I would certainly post later with proper knowledge. Please also compare this caste article with the other tamil caste articles and check for proofs in those articles too. We feel that wiki is being partial.
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India with preformed idea think they know Indias past and present after staying in India barely few months. Many of the derogatory statements by the foreign researchers of Nadar community in the past.Without proper knowledge of all the
Dravidian languages and culture the American researchers have been insulting the Nadar community which descend from the Pandyan dynasty which may be as ancient as Mesopotomian culture or more.
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Marathars defended the Pandyan flag. Gramony is the sanskritised form of Nadalvar appointed as officers in the Pallavan kingdom. Chanars are the iron armed soldiers (Chan= iron weapon). Pullu Kai Chanar are the Nadars armed with spears or stakes (Pullu). Panikkars were the Martial art trainers.Vaidyars were the doctors. Asans were teachers and proponents of Black magic and Science.
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Sangramadheera was married into
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saints who often took the title Pattar leading to the mistaken belief that they were brahmins.Perialvar belonged to Sri
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The Cheras or Villavars who founded the Chera kingdom were originally related to Nadars.The original Chera kingdom came to an end in the 1120 AD. The Chera descendents shifted their capital to Quilon and ruled Travancore in the southern Kerala 1120 to 1314 AD.The last Chera king Ravivarma Kulasekhara
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or the Meenavar kingdom who formed the ruling dynasty. Enadhy or Enadi was an ancient title of Nadars. Enadhy Nayanar was a saint believed to belong to the Shanar tribe. Enadi ( Eyinan (Archer) + Adhi (ancient)),an ancient title of Nadars clearly indicates their villavar origins.The Villavar (Archer)
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Knowledge is not in Tamil Nadu, nor is it intended just for people of Tamil Nadu. I'm pretty sure if you look at the Bill Clinton article, his status as a former US president is referenced. You are correct that this isn't the only caste page with problems. Accordingly, I've gone through a few others
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During the Vijaya Nagara Naickar period an elite Nadar lords called Vellai Nadars were hanged at Palayamkottai. Allegedly 500 gallows (thooku marams)were planted between Thirunelveli and Palayamkottai area. For about 50 yrs Nadars were hanged publicly while a few Nadars were given Jamindhari and Tax
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in UP)and have become a subcaste of Bunts. The Chera kings also added Alwar as title.Eg Kulasekhara alwar, the Chera King who wrote Perumal Thirumozhi in 801 ad. Nadalvar is the title of the Pandyan aristocracy in ancient times. Many of the Alwars of the Chera and Pandyan dynasty became Vaishnavaite
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All the references you need can be found in the sites mentioned below this article,. I don't know where you are from. But this is Tamil-Nadu. Here caste ism still exists. Excluding well known info's from our site while not even taking a glimpse on the other caste articles included in wiki would be
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The 'prominent people' feature is there in almost all the indian caste articles. You can check it out if you want to. Why is it exclusively being excluded from this article. I don't understand why. We are not just talking about the history of this caste. We should actually look at it in an overall
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Maran, Marayan,Maravarman or Mara Rayan used to denote the Pandyan monarchs. Nadalvar, Nadavar, Nadar are the regional rulers or Governors of the Pandyan kingdom. Nattars are village heads. Sivanthi Nadars were the elite suicidal army. Karukku Pattayathars were the heavy armed soldiers who guarded
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who mixed with the Meenavar in the ancient times and founded the Mara Nadar dynasty of the Pandyan kingdom. Nadavas of Karnataka of the Tulu Pandyan kingdom may have common origins. Villavars and Meenavars founded most of the Indian kingdoms ancient times. In the North India they were called Bhils
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The Pandiyan kingdom was replaced by Chola princes around 1000 ad. This split the Pandyan dynasty into two. The original Pandyan dynasty was pushed to south. Though they might had resurgence in the 1200s, soon the Muslim invasions in 1305 decreased the Pandiyan power. Some Nadars who converted to
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Nadalvar or Mara Nadalvar is the correct name for the Kshatriyas of Pandiya Kula Alvars (Kshatriyas).Even during the oppressive periods between 1550 to 1900 Nadars of Travancore always referred to themselves as Nadalvar Kulam. Nadalum Ramavanmanukkum Nadalvar Kulathil Penn Kodom was an old saying
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The Nadars of Kerala had the titles Nadalvar(rulers),Nattar(lords), Asans(teachers ),Nadappanickar(Masters of Martial arts), Panikkars and Channars in the ancient Pandiyan period. The Channars probably joined the Ezhava community in the later periods. Alummottil Channar are a famous martial art
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The area of Pandiyan kingdom gives the approximate area inhabited by the Nadar community in the ancient times. In the ancient times Whole of Kerala, Southern and eastern Tamil Nadu and Southern Karnataka (Tulunad) and whole of Sri Lanka(which was called Taprobane after Tamraparni) was under the
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I removed the list of prominent people because it is irrelevant to the history and description of the caste, it was unsourced and because the mafia/underworld section violated the WP:BLP policy. Please make a case on the talk page for its inclusion if you believe these problems can be fixed.
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What are some of the other castes with problem pages? I'll edit those in line with policy as well. Criteria for inclusion: must be verifiable through the references listed, must not violate other content policies. Its pretty simple, and if you want to add information then you should provide
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The Nadars were not good historians and are still not. They usually don't like attention. You can also refer books like 1. Ancient Tamil Monarchy, Journal of the Epigraphical Society of India, Vol 26, Mysore, 2000 2. M. Immanuel (2002) The Dravidian Lineages: The Nadars Through the Ages. A
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and Kallidaikurichi while the Royal house of Venad kings was situated at Kalakkad(Mulli Nadu/Desingha Nadu). Though a Pandiyan King called Vallabhan from the old Nadar dynasty regained Tenkasi from the Venad kings at 1530 ad,the Naicker invasion in 1550 destroyed all the traces of Pandiyan
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After the Nayakar invasion around 1550s many Nadar families were forced to escape to the Western Ghats where they had hideouts from the time immemorial. From 1550s to 1700s many Nadar families fearing reprisals from Naickers reesided in the Shanar Malai, somewhere near Shencottah.
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from nepal)who invaded the Kerala around 800 ad during the repeated attacks by the Karnatakas Rashtrakudas. Before 800 ad the Nairs were residents of Karnataka. Nagas were the worst enemies of Dravidians. But even after 1314 ad still the kings were not Nairs but
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Because this is the only article I've looked at. The fact that it hasn't been deleted somewhere else isn't an argument for its inclusion here. It simply does not belong, but if you want to include it then you should source each claim prior to its inclusion.
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and made similar changes. Knowledge has content policies for a reason, and all articles ought to abide by them regardless of the subject matter - no matter how obvious the truth is to you, the Knowledge standard of inclusion is verifiability not truth.
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who ruled the whole of India in the ancient times.The Villavar may represent the Cheras while Minavar many represent Pandyas. The Minavars and Villavars founded the Pandyan kingdom in the ancient times. Nadars are the Villavar warriors of the
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The Pandiya Nadu was founded by the Villavars of Mara vamsam who mixed with the Meenavars of Korkai near the modern Tuticorin. The Villavars of Tamraparni assumed the title Mara Nadalvar or Nadar and the Royal house was established at
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references for your information (websites, public records, books, documentaries, magazines, newspapers, whatever). I've also removed your commented out warning that was clearly an attempt to control the content of the article. Review
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4. The Travancore State Manual written by Nagam Aiya during the Travancore maharaja rule (during British India period )mentions the Nadars as Surya Kula Kshthriyas 'வலங்கை உய்யக்கொண்ட இரவி குல (சூரிய குல) க்ஷத்திரியர்கள்'
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manner. Thank you for your reply. I am looking forward to see the site as it used to be. We ll just exclude the mafia part as per the rules. It is irrelevant and unnecessary...
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kingdom of Mangalore.Nadava could be a synonym for Nadalvar aristocrats of the Pandyan kingdom. In the later periods Nadavas could have joined a Nair like northern tribe of
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197:Bhil Meenas
124:Nadars are
36:This is an
506:Matriarchy
380:Kshatriyas
283:Tamraparni
145:Dravidians
128:rulers of
518:ahichatra
510:Scythians
502:Kolathiri
416:Dravidian
295:Villavars
212:Kshatriya
176:Ahichatra
141:Meenavars
137:Villavars
82:Archive 5
77:Archive 4
72:Archive 3
66:Archive 2
60:Archive 1
626:unsigned
473:Villavar
424:Catholic
388:Villavar
231:Pandiyan
227:Nadalvar
223:Meenavar
219:Villavar
193:Billavas
126:Villavar
724:Changes
690:Proofs:
482:Pandiya
442:Pandiya
412:Jainism
408:Murugan
403:Pandyan
384:Pandyan
341:Pandiya
326:Pandyan
279:Tenkasi
237:Pandiya
214:clans.
189:Ezhavas
185:Nalavar
168:Nadavas
155:Tenkasi
132:Country
130:Pandyan
39:archive
765:WP:OWN
599:Meenas
579:Meenas
544:Meenas
531:Cheras
522:Newars
406:times.
363:Meenas
300:Meenas
209:Rajput
201:Meenas
164:Alupas
113:Alupas
514:Nagas
419:Hindu
205:Bhils
181:Nadar
172:Bunts
159:Chera
118:Bunts
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