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Although, I've not seen it in any media, I checked the results from each tournament since the current 32 team format began in 1998. This is the first time that all the group winners beat the group runners-up. Would it be original research to put this in the article? Opinions & reasoning please!
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Oshaniwa (Nigeria) was listed as a CB in all of Nigeria's
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Cameron, Johnson, and Zusi are wrongly placed for the USA on the pitch map. Johnson should take
Cameron's Place, Zusi should take Johnson's place, and Cameron should take Zusi's place. If you look at the FIFA game report, this will become clear. Edits needed.
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Nederlands vs Mexico game Dirk Kuyt (and for the 2nd game running) started in the left wing back position.
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Nigeria's Oshaniwa during their 3rd game but this misinformation has been going on for the past 3 World Cup Finals. Dirk Kuyt
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