584:. I did leave the three centuries first listed as the are instead of following your suggestion of using the word ″early″. I believe that listing the centuries provides useful detail and that ″Early identifications″ is vague. So please consider this. I also moved the official recognition; however, I listed it under a heading separate from 21st century ″identification″. The official recognition is distinctive, so I gave it a special subsection. It does accompany the 21st century subsection by following it. Thus a chronological order is preserved. What are your thoughts regarding this?
715:. I believe I understand the ethnohistory and why it doe not really fit here: New Albion is not really so relevant to the ethnohistory of the Coast Miwok. Is my understanding correct? If so, I concur. And as I read the section on the Coast Miwok, the first three paragraphs are mostly about the Coast Miwok, not Drake's interactions. Please let me know if I have the proper understanding, and is so, I will address the matter in further editing. And again, thank you for your kind attention and patient explanations.
1389:. I have edited the article today and addressed the section: Plate of Brass hoax. I will look at the harv errors you mention. An initial perusal indicates that there are references not used which exist. I will go through this in detail. I am uncertain what to look for other than that. This is due to my relative lack of editing experience. For what should I be looking to address other harv errors?
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803:. Doolittle was also considered a hero and recognized as such by the American people, his government, and resented by the Japanese. Drake a hero to his people and government and resented by the Spaniards. I believe there is an appropriate parallel. Your thoughts, please. And thank you for the kind attention you have provided thus far.
1165:. I believe I've adequately addressed the first instance of close paraphrasing/copyright problems. I am unable to access the the other two you identify with links. However, perhaps it is not necessary that I do. I am able to discern that the items in question regard the Coast Miwok and flora which I a may entirely delete.
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recognition subsection into the 21st century subsection - the earlier identification subsection currently with three centuries listed in the title can be renamed 'Early identifications'. Drake's Plate of Brass section should be made into a subsection up in the
History section, as it is about him claiming the land.
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which would, of course, include salient information. (They would also not be italicized, I do so here so that you may easily distinguish them from the other text.) This would require that I examine the sources listed in the article regarding these matters to adequately compose the section; however, I
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This district, a nationally significant distinction, provides material evidence of one of the earliest instances of interaction between native people and
European explorers on the west coast of what is now the United States of America. This distinction is based on the two historical encounters, Sir
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Teahouse inquiring how to make this edit. They have always been very helpful to me, and while I am uncertain as to the editing process, I'm sure they will be of much assistance. I like the infobox on the Jamestown Virginia article and will pattern the New Albion one
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I see what you mean about the map containing text too small to be useful. That was my doing to put it in the info box. I hesitated to put a pin-point map in the Info box because of the uncertain, never defined boundaries of New Albion. However, I can see such a map as useful if it were labeled as
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and so edited without. My partner and I discovered several references listed that were no longer salient to the article and the Simon
Cassels journal article was incorrectly listed in the reference section as 2013 while correctly listed by the inline citations as 2003. I believe the citations and
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Hi, so I'm going to take a break here - from having read to halfway through the background section, I feel the inconsistent tone problem is going to appear throughout, and I'd really like that to be fixed! This involves rewriting a bunch of the content, so hopefully the content will be great after
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Reading through this first section, I'm not sure 'Background' is suitable for all of it - background would be why Drake went there; everything after the first two paragraphs & first sentence of the third paragraph, up to the fifth paragraph is about the
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I rephrased the first subsections as you suggested: Early identification. However, this is without the plural as you suggested, and then when viewing it in context of the entire section, I realized that the plural should be consistently applied to the other subsections for both style and factual
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Note: Though I see it's had two peer reviews, I find the general tone to be irregular - in some parts the article is well-written, and in others it is not so, with some of the phrasings reading like rather juvenile summaries. A consistent tone is needed, perhaps a copyedit asking to specifically
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The map does not need to be in the infobox - a more timely engraving is already present and the text of Nova Albion is so small that it is invisible at wiki size and even at preview size. An interactive map or pin map pointing out Point Reyes as the site would be more useful in the infobox; the
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As an overall article note, I also feel it desperately needs some restructuring. The "Other ideas suggesting alternative locations" could easily be merged into the end of the "Site recognition and identification" section, which should itself be made more chronological by moving the official
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that highlights harv errors - if there's a reference that isn't used in the article, it can just be removed. But when there's citations in the article that don't point to a reference, the right source needs to be found and added. Sometimes it's just a typo that causes them, though.
566:, and I could not determine how to reconcile the matter you identify. Then I realized the problem: the plate of brass in this article is not Drake's plate: it is a hoax that gained much notoriety over the years. So, I will work on this section from the perspective of a hoax.
1517:! I am utterly thrilled. I am so appreciative of all you've done to assist me with this article. You've been both technically helpful and personally very considerate. I hope you do not mind an occasional question that may come about regarding ideas for further improvement.
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1339:. After dealing with some complications due to travel bans, I have been home for a few days now. I will be able to attend to it much better now, especially regarding the Plate of Brass section as I require a reference item I did not have in my other country.
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There's still one source that doesn't seem to be used - the Torben, Rick; Braje, Todd; Wake, Thomas; Sanchez, Gabriel; DeLong, Robert; Lightfoot, Kent? After this, I will read the article over and see if there are more comments after the edits.
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believe much of this information is relevant and it would entail a reasonable amount of researching effort on my part. Please let me know of your thoughts regarding this idea.20:03, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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665:. You may see a section about this location's ethnohistory. I believe it may be relevant to the article in addition to the Coast Miwok's contact with Drake. Perhaps the heading of
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Yep - some big changes have been made, I keep following it. It's looking much more solid. I've left it open per the note, will read the revised article as a whole soon.
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I included Drake's first name at this first mention and wikilinked it. Thank you for the information regarding the wikilinking customs. I was unaware of this practice.
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Francis Drake's 1579 California landing and the 1595 Manila galleon shipwreck, San Agustin, which was commanded by Sebastian Rodriguez Cermeño.
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784:neutrally.
778:Neutrality
750:Thank you
490:especially
400:Up to then
190:Shortened.
59:Authorship
45:GA toolbox
1129:Copyright
1114:Stability
515:language.
326:Privateer
155:Reviewer:
82:Templates
73:Reviewing
27:GA Review
1172:Copyvio
1014:Teahouse
627:Coverage
488:Clearly
454:claims."
168:contribs
87:Criteria
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138:history
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105:Article
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