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709:"Diploma mill" strikes me as (intentionally) a fairly imprecise word - not a legal description. But we're not required to use legal descriptions in writing an encyclopedia. It would ultimately be unreadable, except for lawyers, and imprecise as well, depending on the jurisdiction you live in. From our article
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The first part is essentially that you can buy the diploma - just the piece of paper with the "institution's" name on it as well as your name and the name of a degree. I doubt many of these exist anymore in developed countries. The second part is that the "institution" tries to fool the "student" at
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Yes, there are mentions in various books--not much, but something. Hey, I'm not going to stand in the way of a G3 deletion, and I really don't want to go look for this stuff again: I saw a few mentions that indicated that the full name was used in print--but one of those, as I said elsewhere, was in
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Zealand companies register. We should link directly to the register OR not link to them at all as primary sources. The URL in the official register is
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