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And I'm trying to get you to explain why its existence WOULD be justified. OSE is a bit misapplied here. OSE refers to "just because something else has an article, this one should too." That's not the argument I'm applying. I illustrating the exact similarities. There's nothing to say about the Lite
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Those aren't saying its a full redesign. The Switch Lite is to the Switch as the PS3 Slim is to the PS3 - nearly all the same internal hardware, just repackaged. That's the whole point here, that the specs between the Switch, the Switch Lite, and the OLED Switch are so minor that to treat the Switch
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It was meant to show that there is a consensus, not that simply because those pages exist means this one should too. But, ignoring that, I believe this console is a sufficiently different use case to merit a separate article. It is not the same as something like the OLED where it was simply a screen
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Personally for me (and probably for many others) it is easier to comprehend them as different models when deintegrated. Like mentioned earlier, even the normal Switch has two different models on its own, so is that remodel as big as the two others? It is also much easier to just search for Switch
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Oppose due to there's no point in consolidating. As already said the OP is confused, Pinkbear was or is as well. Someone is pinging a project page and more likely than not people involved in that project are either deletionists or in favor of most mergers. ferret, have you opposed mergers in the
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Nintendo Switch OLED model as one family, one system, three models. Four models if you consider the original
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also calls the Switch Lite a redesign, saying "Nintendo’s redesign of the Switch for the Switch Lite was built with a focus on portability". Many sources back up the notion that the Lite is a full redesign of the console and not just an iteration of the normal Switch. Having demonstrated
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merge. In practice (I own all Switch versions), the only real difference is that you can't hook up the Lite to the TV. Do we need separate articles for Coke cans and Coke bottles? No, because the content (what you consume) is identical, even if the packaging and handling differ. –
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